Chavez wins re-election, electoral council says

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posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by azulejo
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PEOPLE, THIS IS NOT A REALLY SOCIALISM. THIS IS COMMUNISM!!
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Socialism is the road to communism.


The goal of socialism is communism.
Vladimir Lenin quotes (Russian Founder of the Russian Communist Party, leader of the Russian Revolution of 1917, 1870-1924)

thinkexist.com...


A lot of people, and mostly those in the left, but also many people from all political afiliations do not know, or understand that "democracy" is nothing but "mob rule", or "a dictatorship of the proletariat", when in reality the mayority of the people in these socialist/communist countries do not accept, or agree with the socialist/communist goals of said countries. Instead the socialists/communists/chavistas, who are NEVER a mayority, have to resort to dirty tactics, corruption to the highest level, intimidation, scare tactics and using many other sorts of dirty tactics which includes forcing people to accept their dellusional, and authoritarian ideas on socialism/communism.


Democracy is the road to socialism.
Karl Marx

www.brainyquote.com...

You first destroy, and transform what used to be fairly free, and capitalist nations by converting them into democracies, and then slowly into socialism and finally communism.


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posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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I can't believe the people here.
So it's not good to not "sell" to the US but it is ok to give away free oil and sell out to China and Russia.
People are so stupid here, they think the evil bankers are everywhere.

I will let you know if i can find milk,coffe and butter tomorrow,or get shot.


P.S: I do not own any villa,i am not rich, i am a student that wants to graduate and work and support my family.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 04:38 PM
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Somehow, I am not at all surprised at this outcome. I imagine Putin will be winning elections for the next 20 years as well.

It all boils down to, there is no need for the farce of elections in places such as this, where they can make people disappear who disagree with them. The same people will keep winning and winning and winning and winning again.

Thank God for two term presidents here in the States.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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reply to post by Darkrunner
 


Only those who have never seen authoritarism think that Democracy is the worst thing ever.
Bless America and their democracy.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by Kali74
I knew he would win, the people love him and he has done so much to earn their love...


Surely, 46% of the population don't love him as they wanted the other guy. Kim Jong-un of the pleasant land North Korea gets a 100% "we love you" from the down-trodden population every time he casts a vote.

Hugo Chávez has an ego the size of a large village and is only liked by some because he's anti-US, but the elections seem to have been judged as fair. Some dislike Chávez because he has manipulated the "system" to prolong his power, such as re-writing the constitution.

Regards



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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Sure, there's still a large portion of the nation that are capitalistas, that want to re-oppress the people that Chavez has freed to elevate themselves, exploitation is the best way for the few to make billions... it's too bad it has a nasty side effect of starving millions.
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posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by metodex
reply to post by Darkrunner
 


Only those who have never seen authoritarism think that Democracy is the worst thing ever.
Bless America and their democracy.


Bless America and their democracy?


In America and Canada,Britain and even in the EU what we have isn't democracy what we have a is two state dictatorship.

Maybe you could explain why ever president of America that supposedly have been elected have been sending Americans into wars and interventions?



Bless America and their democracy


I have also supported the system democracy before i started waking up seeing what kind of a mocking of a joke system it had became. As just like in Serbia,Greece,Japan.

Yeah those elected leaders really care about the people right?


Ask the Greeks i am sure they will tell you what Democracy has been for them and what has done for them.
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posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 11:40 PM
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I'm sorry, i must be blind by the dollars and the CIA propaganda.
It doesn't get more democratic than 14 years with a cult of personality and changing the national identity to "socialist red", people are still starving,gangs are still running, a new social class has spawned and i haven't seen a single tax bolivar in action.

However,working institutions and basic products,along with midnight walks and good education and jobs are taken for granted by first world hating pricks like you.

Bless democracy and bless America and Japan, the UK and Scandinavia, Chile and Canada. Your mind is stuck in the cold war.



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by azulejo
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PEOPLE, THIS IS NOT A REALLY SOCIALISM. THIS IS COMMUNISM!!
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Socialism is the road to communism.


The goal of socialism is communism.
Vladimir Lenin quotes (Russian Founder of the Russian Communist Party, leader of the Russian Revolution of 1917, 1870-1924)

thinkexist.com...


We've had a socialist system for ages. We hate communist. They are not the same thing. Nor does it mean that we will eventually be communist.
Finland that is. I'm sure others can shime in too.



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 03:55 AM
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Originally posted by metodex
I can't believe the people here.


You really do run into strange people online, yes.


So it's not good to not "sell" to the US but it is ok to give away free oil and sell out to China and Russia.


It's not a question of good or bad but of national independence and selling oil more cheaply to China and Russia is a way of buying their protection, against direct US action, in the UN/Security council. You may call Chavez many things but he knows that the US kills presidents and invades countries when it suits their geopolitical ( which is mostly about maintaining the social structures that allows for a effective defense of capitalist wealth accumulation) aim and thus understands that while he may be buying help it beats once again selling out the future of Venezuela to the west. Even if it turns out that the Chinese/Russians are the same harsh masters that Washington is at least neither of those countries have a dozen or so carrier task groups which will enable them to by conventional means lay waste to what makes a county a modern industrial society.

Both Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan ( to name a few recent examples) have tried playing 'the game' with the west whereby they thought they could 'buy' them off to prevent total takeovers buy as it turns out all that did was wet the appetite of the various corporate beasts.


People are so stupid here, they think the evil bankers are everywhere.

I will let you know if i can find milk,coffe and butter tomorrow,or get shot.


'Banking' or bankers can't be inherently evil as we know that even in many corporate capitalist friendly countries the banking system functions in such a way that the average client is not cheated by his local banker, which is often very well regulated and inspected, but instead by the political class who instigate/allow the bailouts of this or that ground.

As for the milk or coffee getting i live in just another capitalist not so perfect country where getting those might result in you getting killed but you do not see me blaming the violence on the utterly unconvincing efforts of the the South-African governments to create a more fair an equitable economic conditions. Fact is it seems that Venezuela might be a even more violent country ( per capita) than South-Africa so understanding the racist history of my own country i can only wonder at how badly the Spanish/European segment of Venezuelan society treated the ethic/people of mixed descent:


The people of Venezuela come from a variety of heritages. It is estimated that the majority of the population is of mestizo, or mixed, ethnic heritage. Venezuela's racial structure can be classified as 49.9% mestizo, 42.2% White, 3.5% African, and 1.1% other races. Indigenous people account for only 2.7% of the total population.[68] According to an autosomal DNA genetic study conducted in 2008 by the University of Brasilia (UNB) the composition of Venezuela's population it's: 60.60% of European contribution, 23% of Amerindian contribution and 16,30% of African contribution.[69]

en.wikipedia.org...


So without having done any research( sometimes experience may suffice) worth calling such i would suggest that the violence is not about economics or politics but about the social order of things with 'whites' hating Chavez for taking away so many of their state protected benefits and privileges and largely shifting those resources to the poorer segment of that country. The voting results seems to narrowly track the demographics and while that is not science i would strongly suggest that it's no coincidence either.


P.S: I do not own any villa,i am not rich, i am a student that wants to graduate and work and support my family.


Yes, we have some 'poor' whites, but mostly just all whites ( who fail to understand the irony in now being treated less preferentially than they used to be) , in South-Africa too that hate the new non-white government for forcing them to compete in a job sector that now favors the employment of formerly disadvantage ethic groups/women.

Fact is if you speak English and can pass yourself off of being of mostly European descent your prejudices would probably help you to fit right in here but if you look a bit 'ethnic' odds are you will have to suffer the humiliating fate of being treated as the second class citizen; something i would hazard that you have no experience of so perhaps a good lesson in humility then.

But maybe you are just a misguided ethnic up and going places capitalist in which case you really should stop whining as you should know better than believing that the world is a fair having long ago accepted that as a capitalist you are completely responsible for your fate and that if you are struggling you just need to pull harder on those boot straps of yours.

Cheers

Stellar



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 05:14 AM
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He is a democratic dictator .



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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How many more threads full of red-scare commie-bashing are people going to make before they realize just how ignorant they are?

C'mon, save that # for GLP or something.



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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reply to post by StellarX
 


Fair enough.

I see that the commie bashers have tried to take over this thread.



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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Of course is not okay!

And that was teh campaign of Capriles: "Why we are giving away oil to other countries?"

and it wasnt just oil, we give away so many things: houses, money, something to clean a river in NY!? MANY THINGS!

Chavez wants to be captain planet while the country is falling apart.

Imagine that during his speech from Miraflores (presidential house) after the results, a couple were shot dead by his supporter. Supporter to supporter - shot.

Thats what happens when you vote for the Bolivarian Revolution....

This weekend we had 52 people shot dead. That is such a pretty revolution.



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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Thank you so much for your knowledge. I can see you investigate.

I thank you so much... meanwhile, I have a massive toilet paper roll beside me and sobbing for two days.


I cant stop crying!!! My heart bleeds



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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Thos epeople have starved since ages, since the fourth republic (what they call before Chavez)

They have always had very little to eat, always being surrounded by guns, mafias, etc. They have always had zinc roof on top of them.

The difference is that now they get one piece of bread every now and then. They get Mision Ribas where they can get a High School degree in 8 months.

They are very shallow and unreliable solutions, it wont make them better citizens, it wont make their life better. BUT IN THEIR EYES, it is a big change.


Keep your nation ignorant and you shall rule easier... simples



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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There is an Indian State called Kerala


It is proven to be the best Socialist system in the world. I have been there and it seemed the cleanest place in India, the most educated people and the most organised.

Now, I dont live there so I dont know much more than the superficial



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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My friend, Chavez is there by TPTB. If these idiots of "Socialists" (they are not real socialists) and against America, they wouldnt allow selling 22% of our oil to US, they wouldnt give away things to the US, they wouldnt allow tourism from US to Cuba which are the number 1 to visit with Canadians. So, its all a farse. Che Guevara? I clean my arse with Che Guevara, assesin, murderer, he killed people just because, more than 300 people shot by him. How do I know? Because I know CUBANS that were there and guess who killed CHE? FIDEL CASTRO!

So, dont talk about him as he is against America because he isnt. It is very clear.

Nor, we want America interfering with our affairs.



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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OHHHH BRAVO!!! YOU CAN USE WIKIPEDIA!

I am Venezuelan, I am NOT WHITE. I am pure Brown. Mixed African, Spaniard and Indian ok?

AND I HATE CHAVEZ

This is not some racial thing man, how many people in the shanty towns hate Chavez? many! Because he promised hospitals, schools, new houses and he didnt do anything!! Many people that are poor are not with him... and wait for it!!! many RICH people are with him because they only get RICHER if they are with teh goverment... what happens if you are not? well, expropriation!! they take everything from you!

Please do me a favor and come to Venezuela, live here with us and they GIVE AN OPINION....


WIKIPEDIA.......right



posted on Oct, 9 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
In America and Canada,Britain and even in the EU what we have isn't democracy what we have a is two state dictatorship.


How does that work? Not sure where you live, but I don't live in a "two state dictatorship". I may not like some of the things elected officials do, but they can and are often voted out when they don't deliver.


Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
Maybe you could explain why ever president of America that supposedly have been elected have been sending Americans into wars and interventions?


Yawn. Maybe you should explain how this has anything remotely to do with the thread?

To topic, Chavez got 54.66% and has promised to be a "better president". Good luck.

Regards





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