Give social security it's walking papers

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posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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"You pay into that son"

I'm tired of paying for the retirement of baby boomers. My generation will never see that money. Half of you that are collecting it don't even need it. We won't retire until we're 70, according to the experts. Stop taking it. If it's being taken with no reliable plan to give it back, to finance our retirement, then stop taking it. It's unfair taxation. We may be able to get by with privatized retirement plans, but that doesn't make it right.

Stop beating a dead horse, and admit you messed up what was a nice idea.




posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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You want to give "social security it's walking papers"...well for you that may eventually happen.

However...anyone who is 55 years of age or older right now...that (will not) happen.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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Why should they? Your money, earned with time taken out of your limited life span doesn't belong to you. Your life belongs to the state. Get used to it. /sarcasm



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by AnarchysAngel
 


You want to give "social security it's walking papers"...well for you that may eventually happen.

However...anyone who is 55 years of age or older right now...that (will not) happen.
Unless the economy does collapse as predicted by many economists. Then we can't even try to arrange a "soft landing". People will starve, and not just old people.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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I'm just plain fed up with this stuff. They talk like social security matters to me. As far as I'm concerned it's the money I am robbed of every payday. NOTHING MORE! Let me opt out, because I'm sick of paying for other people's way. I'll gladly take care of the sick and the weak. I'm not going to give my hard earned money to the people that just give it to charity and get a tax deduction. I can do that with my money on my own thank you very much.


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posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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All I can take from this post is that you want the right to be selfish.

No wonder society's in the #ter when the younger folks don't want to pay to keep their grandparents off of the streets.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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My feelings of ss are well known for those who dont:

Should have never been created in the first place:
Ponzi scheme of first in first out leaving others holding the bag.

Should be privatized and let people make their own decisions, and investments.

But.

The power that SS gives politicians they will never end it or give that power up.

For those who are under the false impression of what SS is it is not a retirement fund, the average check is 1000 bucks a month 12k a year.

A pittance paid in a pittance paid out.
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posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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Who is they?

You do realize that we live in a Representative Republic and that, with the exception of the recent two Presidents abusing "Executive Order" - all laws and policies were passed by law, by majority, and through Constitutional process right?

To me this is no different than far, far leftists screaming that they want all guns taken away. The majority chose - and that's that.

It's our form of government and it's actually sort of tiring. If you want change write your duly elected Officials in the House and Senate. They are your voice in government.

~Heff



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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I'm paying so people with ample pentions can give it to charity. Did you know that so many baby boomers don't know what to do with the check that people are advocating giving it to charity as a tax deductable donation?

I will take care of my own grandparents myself.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by AnarchysAngel
"You pay into that son"

I'm tired of paying for the retirement of baby boomers. My generation will never see that money. Half of you that are collecting it don't even need it. We won't retire until we're 70, according to the experts. Stop taking it. If it's being taken with no reliable plan to give it back, to finance our retirement, then stop taking it. It's unfair taxation. We may be able to get by with privatized retirement plans, but that doesn't make it right.

Stop beating a dead horse, and admit you messed up what was a nice idea.


I have no problem with what you are saying,
I can understand why you want to starve me out,
before I collect what I payed in,
and you need the money for your young wars.

The good news is the real estate bubble has collapsed,
and land is cheap,
so can I get the burial plot I wanted,
instead of taking the cremation route,
with no record embedded in stone,
of the early death you wish for me?



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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With all of the civil unrest in the country right now, I can't help but wonder how these officials can read every letter and still do their job.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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Find one of those people giving their check to charity, and tell them you need that charity badly.

See if they'll give it to you, or if they want their deduction from the deal.
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posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:24 PM
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Social Insecurity is more like it, but try to spin the walking papers strategy to people that have statements and I mean years of them that show how much of their money they have put into and their possible benefit, I am talking 44 or 50 thousand or more over some years, and are not even anywhere near retirement, do you think people would love to just donate that much money out of their hard earned money if they stopped the program?

They could stop Social security and the SSI or the portion the government adds to it there would be nothing wrong with that entitlement portion, but there is the element of the money you have given the government in return for their promise or their plan, if they stop social security I guarantee you there will be a stampede of people with their statements demanding their portion of their hard earned money back that the government has taken.

We all know that actuaries or other statisticians figure out the possible lifespan of a person, give the data to the government who then keep upping the retirement age so they know there is a considerable amount of people that will not see their hard earned money that they put into it nor will the government pay a refund to you or surviving heirs if you collect none of the entitlement portion.

The portion that you pay into it from your paycheck is your money they took and have no fair way to give it back if you either die or do not collect it is one of the biggest scams ever because at some point I heard that the cost of living component had the formula manipulated back in the 90's so checks are not what they really should be, yet they want to cut it or make it seem as though they are giving you all of this money when you collect it.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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And in return,
I no longer want to pay school taxes,
or government taxes for grants and research.
After all I am old and children gone, why fund them,
when they just want to prematurely put me in the ground.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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Good luck getting those of us who were forced to pay into the system for 40+ years supporting you. Why should we give up what we paid into with the gov. with a promise of a return. Is it our fault it was misused, on multiple occasions to pay for other government programs or that Obama plans to take 7Billion plus out to fund Obamacare? Should those of us on SS be blamed for the government's ineptness?

I have saved more in the last 15 years to help with my retirement than I will ever get in return from social security. But without social security I would have to make sure I die in 10 years.

There will be a change, but to blame the elderly, is unfair.

Grip to the millionaires who get their SS and don't need it. But remember, they were forced to pay into the system too. No choice.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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I will not even go into SS taxes and how it funds the young.
I am willing to let you cut both our throats.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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Amish do not participate in SS, yet they llive full, long lives WITH THE FAMILY. As the generations expand they move to a smaller and smaller apartment-like dwelling attached to, or very close to, the main family house reserved for the oldest male child once married.

We've been programmed that American family means your own house and property away from parents and grandparents. Social security replaces inner family responsibility and unity through the generations.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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Neo cuts through this topic very well. The most constitutional thing to do would be to give all the money back to everyone that ever paid, in a lump sum, and cancel it. Easier said than done.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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It is your world now,
choices you make are on your conscience.

I know more people that have died before getting SS,
then those I know that collect.
My young history of what you would call old wars.
Your War, Your Choice, and how you decide to pay for it.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 09:42 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Why should they? Your money, earned with time taken out of your limited life span doesn't belong to you. Your life belongs to the state. Get used to it. /sarcasm


It may be sarcasm, but it's the absolute truth.

That is the fact. Wages are nothing more than chains. Try living without your chains. If you are free you can.

But it appears we cannot.

Make the common man feel as if he is responsible for the unemployed and he will sort the situation out in time. While the real bludger sits rather chuffed that his scheme is working so flawlessly.






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