posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 05:32 AM
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Deetermined
So Paul does say it's free but it's really not? I'm confused at your answer here. Paul clearly says that it is a free gift. Your whole point was that
Paul never said it was free, but he did and now you are backtracking.
It's considered a "free gift" because people aren't judged any more solely by their works, keeping up with Mosaic laws or animal sacrifices as
atonement for sins. Now all one has to do is ask for it. Once you ask for the Holy Spirit to enter your life (with all of the sincerity of your
heart), the Holy Spirit will automatically lead you to want to continue in keeping up works, having faith, and being repentant of sins. This is where
the "free gift" comes in. I don't know how to explain it more than that.
He said that his knowledge was partial and incomplete and that he didn't see clearly at that moment, as he was writing the letter. Wasn't the
whole reason he wrote those letters because he got the holy spirit?
If he had the holy spirit (which helps you see) then why did he say he didn't see clearly at a time after getting it?
He said when he became a "man" he didn't see clearly, and he didn't. He used to persecute Christians. It was only after he received the Holy Spirit
that he was able to see clearly and return to a childlike state. Let's face it, no matter how much we want to look at something through a child's
eyes, it's almost impossible as an adult due to our adult experiences. If we were able to look at everything through a child's eyes, and hear it
through a child's ears, we wouldn't question what we read or the people around us.
Edit to add: Receiving the Holy Spirit doesn't make one perfect for the rest of their life. Our free will still allows us the make poor choices if
we choose to override the Holy Spirit. When we choose to do this, we end up facing the consequences, but the Holy Spirit always convicts us to do
better and to repent for those sins. Sometimes, it's not always immediate. Sometimes our stubbornness and selfishness can keep us in our sins, but
God usually pulls a doozy to bring us back. This is why I say that history has a tendency to repeat itself too.. If you ever notice that you're
faced with the same agonizing challenge time after time, it's usually because you keep making the wrong choice in overcoming that one particular
edit on 15-10-2012 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)