reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
However I am constantly struck with the thought of what if the appearance or rather manifestation of the the 'grey' emanates not from the human
variable of the equation but instead from the entity which the 'grey' represents?
Well, I agree with that there are two sides in the equation, and that the human perspective is one aspect. The other side, the idea that the grey
alien is some quality or archetype which assumes a symbolic form which abstractly translates into certain philosophical notions, is more opaque a
According to many who have 'experienced' this, these entities have many tales to share of who they are; but again, since they exist at a level
proximate to our thoughts and feelings, it doesn't make sense to just believe them, as they might be nothing as they claim they are; in fact, they
may be just as persistently irksome as those emotions which push their way into experience because of human weakness.
I find it interesting that Crowley pursued the most bestial and perverse forms of human activity in order to invoke the presence of a more 'dark'
power which he could recruit for his purposes. Is there some connection, perhaps, between trans-dimensional entities with intelligence, black magic,
and the concept of the grey alien? I've flirted with the idea that this 'dark reality' may be tangent to this world, but it's to this world that
this dark reality, symbolized by some as the 'dark side of the moon', finds existence after their earthly life expires. Perhaps those seeking
immortality survive death by allying themselves with these 'dark worlds', and possibly, they have human partners in this grand game.
There are also the 'Nordics' and the 'Reptilians' involved in the abduction experience.
And apparently there are people who believe they've seen people shape shift from normal human to 'reptilian'. It's weird. This too could be
explained by positing some basic connection between the spiritual archetypal world and the physical world; if there is a 'law of gradation' between
higher or more subtle modes of existence, and lower, more crystallized modes of existence, then it could be argued that what others see as a 'shape
shift' could be the imposition of a demonic form over the physical body - sort of an illusion, or hallucination. This of course would only be
possible if you had 'united' yourself in some essential way, through identification I imagine, with a demonic other dimensional creature.
As for Nordic, that too probably reflects an aspect
of the overall mythology of thee UFO cults; their religion is the glorification of man, and
no man fits the bill (or their assumptions) more perfectly in their mind then the tall, blonde haired, Aryan man.
Are these appearances interpreted by the human psyche or injected by the other and what symbolic meaning would a(n) 'Other' desire from such?
That is the million dollar question. It's indisputably a thing within human consciousness, as both Freud and Jung showed, dreams convey different
layers of symbolic material, the most generalized of which relates information about ones essential state of self. But are those things real in
themselves? Are they ontological? I think they are, but until science can back up experiments of occultism, it will remain a mystery.
I do however think it will have to be admitted sooner or later the role of consciousness, intention and feeling in what can called 'paranormal'
If one works form the Godhead theory would this meaning necessitate an understanding of the originating realm in order to understand the value of such
an appearance would mean to a being operating out of said realm?
In order to appreciate the symbolic significance of the Grey alien, you mean? Most people who have never heard of the concept of the Godhead, of
nondualism, or the symbolism of 'grey' would have no idea what to make of the gray alien.
PS. There is in the Godhead theory (at least Kabbalistically) the notion that the Godhead and the Material plane are the most closely connected.
Yes, I think it's in the sefer Yetzirah where something like 'the beginning is enwedged in it's end, and the end in its beginning', meaning the
beginning intends the end and the end implies the beginning.
However, Judaism most certainly does not endorse a perception of reality in consonance with the nondualistic perception of the Godhead.. Instead of
working up, down, it goes down,up. From the particular, upwards, towards the universal. Thus, unity is understood in terms of the particular, as
opposed to the unity of nondualistic imposed on the dualistic.
This latter idea is thoroughly gnostic, and hence, the impersonal grey alien, which perfectly reflects the philosophical approach in question.