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Since When Did Politics Become All About How Well You Handle Yourself On the TV?

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posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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This is what I do not get about America and its politics. Why is it that the American President seems to be choosen for style over substance in the main. Policies tend to be just a mere side show these days. I mean what's all this live TV debate all about, what does proving to be a motor mouth in an argument have to do with how welll you can administer national policies and lead its people. Why do the parties spend millions of dollars on fancy branding and parties in each state. Since when does any of this matter? I suppose it only goes to show that this is a nation that votes in movie stars to look after its interests. When will the majority of Americans wake up and start looking into the small print of policies and start voting for the person that will promote your views and look after your interests.

I see that Romney has taken a 2 point lead thanks to a superficial "debate" on TV, because he scored more brownie points over Obama. FFS America have you ever heard of policy?




posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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In direct answer to your question, it was the 1960 televised debate between JFK and Richard Nixon generally accepted among journalists as the defining moment. We've already had a movie star president - maybe it's time for a cartoon character. Homer Simpson for President! /satire off

ganjoa



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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What exactly Did Romney and Obama debate if not issues ?

The issues Were debated.

Obama was weak in his defense of his own policies.

Obama carried on his version of a twisted debate starting the next day.
(less "real time" resistance that way !)



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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It began after the Kennedy / Nixon debates. Now, the idea is if you're going to have a figurehead President, he needs a good looking head. Policy be damned, today's Presidential candidate must be:

1. Some form of Christian, or at least claim to be.
2. Married with children. No single people.
3. Pearly white perfect smile, makes the lies coming through the teeth easier to sell.
4. A multimillionaire.

If Americans cared about policy, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Ganjoa is faster than me.
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posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 02:43 PM
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You do not need to have the sharpest answer when under the pressure of a TV camera to have the smartest policies. Manifesto's is what counts not popularity contests.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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I agree with the sentiment but not the feeling of awe...

If politicians are products now, how they look and behave is important especially since there an active effort to remove emphasis from how they think... ...this is not only in the USA.

In regards to the US elections, after Ron Paul exit I have no interest on how it goes even if I'm more in accord with the Obama platform, it is all so meaningless. If I was a voter I support the 3rd party (those dudes have no media support over here in Europe), but whatever their policy a change would do extremely good for the existing duopoly...

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posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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It's always difficult as the 'Guy in office' when it comes to debates. It's difficult because your policies are directly attacked and to be fair it will always be your unsuccessful policies that are hi-lighted (naturally).

It's always easier as the opponent to have a swipe and advise what you would have done differntly, it's easier to say what you your intentions are and how you are going to make a difference.

It's easy until you actually get voted in to the position of leader of your country and suddenly realise that all your intentions will be sold down the river, because your intentions do not directly fit with the agenda of the real powerhouses.

Television ensures the masses feel involved in shaping the future of their nation, it's just another sleight of hand movement by the real powers that be!!



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
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You do not need to have the sharpest answer when under the pressure of a TV camera to have the smartest policies. Manifesto's is what counts not popularity contests.


Debate is the most pathetic thing.

That occurs when politicians do not clarify their schedule and they go on a talk war.

This can happen literally and with patience.

But wait a minute.

Why there should be an intense talk war between candidates?

IMO , debates get people motivated.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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This thread, more than any other so far, indicates to me that Obama's supporters are uncertain how to proceed now. It seems that there hasn't been enough time to come to grips with the results of the debate.


This is what I do not get about America and its politics. Why is it that the American President seems to be choosen for style over substance in the main. Policies tend to be just a mere side show these days. . . . Why do the parties spend millions of dollars on fancy branding and parties in each state. Since when does any of this matter? I suppose it only goes to show that this is a nation that votes in movie stars to look after its interests.
You must remember that that is how Obama was elected the first time, don't you? He had no policies, no history. He was the cool intellectual, the first Black, the Citizen of the World who would make everybody love us, he related to the people, he was liked. Even at the time, people left and right were saying he was a blank slate. It was all style, no substance. His only policy was Hope and Change.


When will the majority of Americans wake up and start looking into the small print of policies and start voting for the person that will promote your views and look after your interests.

I see that Romney has taken a 2 point lead thanks to a superficial "debate" on TV, because he scored more brownie points over Obama. FFS America have you ever heard of policy?
Actually, because of the small print on policies, and their effects on Americans, Republicans are excited about voting him out, and Democrats are lesss excited about voting to keep him in.







You do not need to have the sharpest answer when under the pressure of a TV camera to have the smartest policies. Manifesto's is what counts not popularity contests.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Q: "Since When Did Politics Become All About How Well You Handle Yourself On the TV?"
A: I think it started with Nixon and the sweaty upper lip thing.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Charles, I am not American and this thread is about all parties, it is not party specific. Just thought I would highlight that for context purposes.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
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Charles, I am not American and this thread is about all parties, it is not party specific. Just thought I would highlight that for context purposes.

It's critical to note then that Parties are as much a part of American Government as Religion is to many Middle Eastern Governments. I mean that literally and hadn't even considered that point might not be taken as a given.

I've always assumed the party bitterness that literally defines the core of our system now came through as loud overseas as it does here. It wasn't always like this. The party garbage forming lines of outright battle didn't start until the 2000 election (NOT to rehash that..please everyone..lol) in a serious way.

Now? Geeze... They can't even pass a budget and haven't passed one since 2009. THAT is what the party nonsense has done to us.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Some of the greatest presidents we have ever had would never be elected in this day and age.

Its a damn shame.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 03:11 PM
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When will the majority of Americans wake up and start looking into the small print of policies and start voting for the person that will promote your views and look after your interests.
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It's pretty sad when someone from the outside realizes how small minded American voters are when it comes to choosing a president based upon their stance on the issues.

A good majority of Americans choose their presidents based upon sound bites, looks, and party affiliation.
How a candidates issues will affect them directly doesn't come into the equations.


Recent research in political psychology tells us that conscious deliberation is only part of the story when it comes to the voter-decision process. Information about candidates is further gathered using no mental effort, through processes operating completely outside of our awareness. Visual cues, for example, such as physical appearance, are instrumental in shaping our impressions of political candidates. Consider the case of Richard Nixon, a United States’ presidential hopeful back in September of 1960. Coming off of a hospital visit and sporting a five-o’clock shadow, Nixon participated in the first-ever televised presidential debate against John F. Kennedy, whose recent return from sunny California left him well-rested and tan. There is reason to believe that Nixon’s arguments were superior: radio listeners thought he won the debate. The estimated 70 million TV viewers, however, overwhelmingly preferred Kennedy. Visual information, i.e. Kennedy’s clean-cut confidence versus Nixon’s haggard appearance, is presumed to have influenced the TV viewers, ultimately shaping their global impressions of both candidates (Kraus, 1988).



-Bush Jr. had support from some voters who felt like he was someone they could have a beer with.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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Since When Did Politics Become All About How Well You Handle Yourself On the TV?,


Since your guy made a fool of himself on TV. Had he decisively shown himself to be an aware and articulate leader with a command of the facts, you would have been ecstatic that he did so well. But since he obviously missed his teleprompter so badly, you have to find excuses that he was unused to the high elevation, or that Romney cheated by taking a handkerchief with him, or that this stuff doesn't really matter anyway.

Personally, I think he was on drugs. Here's an article that speaks to this that expands on the following points which I just summarize in the quote. Read the whole article for some amazing details.


10. Obama was injected with amphetamines or something before the debate and they wore off about 20 minutes in. ....
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9. Obama was rumpled and sloppy and looked like he slept in a halfway house last night. ...
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8. Obama smirked a lot, behaved like a bratty child at times, and when he wasn’t speaking stared down at the floor like he was thinking “What the heck am I even doing here?”. ..
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7. Moderator Jim Lehrer did a piss-poor job, clearly favored Obama, and yet Obama was STILL trounced...
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6. Mitt Romney had one of the best and most destructive lines I have ever heard in a debate: when he compared Obama talking to things his five sons would say when they were small children and tried to get him to believe their lies. ..
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5. Without a TelePrompTer for a crutch (that he has depended on for four years) Obama could barely string two sentences together without rambling, looking out into the crowd lost, and seeming disoriented...
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4. Obama’s hands were skeletal, his face was twitching, his eyes had deep dark circles around them, and he generally looked like death walking...
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3. Michelle Obama (dressed up like Grimace from McDonaldLand) stormed the stage when the debate was done and angrily dragged her husband offstage as quickly as possible, upset with his poor performance...
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2. Even the Ministry of Truth (Minitrue, for short) that is the corrupt, vintage media had to admit that Obama’s performance was a disaster....
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1. Romney succeeded in drawing a stark contrast between himself and Obama and offered voters a real choice that did not present Obama in a good light.


For the first time the liberal MSM couldn't run interference for Obama and throw him softballs, so Tingles Matthews' head exploded. Obama is an empty chair, and after 6 years of media protection it's becoming more and more obvious.




posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 03:41 PM
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Q. Since When Did Politics Become All About How Well You Handle Yourself On the TV?

A. Since right after Obama tanked during the debate and the left started getting nervous.

Hope that helps,

Cheers

beez



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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In direct answer to your question, it was the 1960 televised debate between JFK and Richard Nixon generally accepted among journalists as the defining moment. We've already had a movie star president - maybe it's time for a cartoon character. Homer Simpson for President! /satire off


Thus, my AVATAR!!!!



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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Partisans will just never give up...

We are so obsessed with labeling and demonizing those on the other side, even IF they were both working towards the same goals, no one would ever see it.

I mean, imagine if there was a group of people with a similar goal, like I don't know, working towards globalization, and they had a bit of influence over American politicians. People would be so busy talking about gay marriage and abortion and socialism and nationalization, no one would care or notice when they got together to go to war, or raise the debt limit, or deregulate Wall Street.

Good thing we have people keeping an eye on the "other side" that wants to "take away our freedoms". Otherwise, what would we do?

And for the record, Obama was elected because people were sick and tired of Bush and his policies. Same reason Romney will probably be elected.

Such an informed public we are.



posted on Oct, 7 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Since presidents go on Letterman,Leno,E,Mythbusters, and the View and other shows the last 4 years.

Oh wonder if they meant the debates?

Meh
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