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Spanish Police Beating Everyone: A Warning To America [and the world]

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posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Shadoefax
A powerful video, but undoubtedly made that way on purpose to manipulate you. Notice the sad music in the background. Used, I'm sure, to instill first hopelessness, then ultimately rage. Notice the narration. The speaker (Alex Jones? I think I'd recognize that gravelly voice anywhere) is not describing the actions in the video, but merely espousing a string of rhetorical "What if"s that would as easily fit into a million other videos of manipulation.

This video is an example of propaganda at its best. Propaganda can be good or bad depending on how it reflects the viewers beliefs. The important point is to recognize it as propaganda in the first place. No "facts" are presented in the video, only seemingly random shots of supposed protesters being beaten by supposed police. Nothing in the video confirms it was taken recently, or even in Spain for that matter.

I have no doubt that atrocities are being committed in Europe as I write this. But I hate it when the "evidence" is presented in a covert, manipulating manner.

If we are to survive as a species, we must learn to think critically and use common sense. When lies and misinterpretations are spread far enough, it becomes the norm to accept them as truths.

Case in point:


Originally posted by Americanist
Wise words from a wise man? Maybe, but in what context were they said? Surely because a great president spoke the words, they are more profound than if a simpler man uttered them. But did JFK actually say these words? Actually, no. They are attributed in a speech to the US Senate (9 May 1966) by his brother, Robert Kennedy, more than two years after JFK's death.

Do the words seem less important now that you know a "lesser" man inspired them? Congratulation, you've just been manipulated.



100% agree with this level headed assessment of the video.

The problem is, none of the footage showed what was happening prior to the actions of the police. There was nothing there to suggest peaceful protest just as much as there was nothing there to suggest rioting, other than the response of the police. Now I know the police on the continent, in comparison to the old bill in the UK, are a lot more hands on. They don't suffer the PR comes first rubbish that the police over here have to suffer.

I don't condone police violence, but its easy to sit in your living rooms and bedrooms and watch that heart tugging BS and say the police are animals. There is protocol to follow, any officer will tell you this when policing a protest, but one of the most important is to not allow the protesters to be in a position that puts officers in with protesters, rather than as the barrier, when that happens it comprimises the officers safety. A second should the protest turn violent or protesters go to enter a no go area, the police must always hold the line this must be held regardless. Police will allow a protest to pass freely and without reaction unless one of two things happens 1) Violence breaks out 2) The protest enters an area which has been deemed as no go for protesters.

Now as for the police attacking the people in the video, first of all we don't know anything about the situation other than a guy puts on his camera at the moment the police become aggressive. However, if the line has been broken, violence is everywhere, basically the police must maintain order, you cannot have hundreds, thousands of people running around the place with violent intent. There are occassions when the officers meet violence with violence, but you guys on here tell me how else violence against them and/or property should be met with? A talking to over a loud speaker by Kermit the Frog? The handing out of free ice cream? You tell me.

I know that Spain is in trouble, when I say Spain, I mean the average Spanish person. I know that all over the world fellow workers are getting smashed on all sides and lets face it, we're fighting a losing battle. However, to try and demonize and attack the police with this kind of BS is stupid, because believe it or not, they are workers like us, they have families like us, they pay bills like us and believe it or not, they hate the system, just as we do. I have said it time and time again, all these protests and riots are pointless and will achieve nothing until the police and army are on side. You have to remember they have a job to do and unless any of you on here have done the job, you have no idea what its like to be in the middle of something like that, being attacked on all fronts, losing control and your safety comprimised, you have to regain control and often meet violence with violence in order to do so.

Please try and be a little bit more objective.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by seethetruth
the Spanish police were beating other police as they protested just makes me wonder where they get there riot police from , and the protests are just in Madrid its not all over Spain ,,

and it was France who had the revolution not Spain , the French cut the heads off all the rich aristocrat and bankers just like what we need to do only they have been clever this time and they have everybody where they want them ,,struggling to keep there mortgage payments up so they dare not revolt and loose every thing ,,,


WTF, seriously, Spanish police were beating other police officers who were protesting themselves? I never noticed this, were the police officers who were beaten wearing their uniforms at the time?



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Nothing will change as long as these people continue to take beatings left and right from these "police". There are more than enough people to over run those cops, and until the day that they do, they will not find a voice.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Sorry if this is up already ...lacking time to go thru all the posts.

But here is an intresting clip of the people letting the cops know who is boss



okay if that didnt work try link

link to vid

Sorry intergalactic fire just saw your post
edit on 8-10-2012 by lunchmanstan because: just saw another member posted the video first.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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When was the last time you saw dictators give their powers over?

It's not going to happen. People need to stop saying things like "wake up" and "open your eyes". It's condescending and makes you look like an ass.
People's eyes are open, they're just terrified. Wouldn't you be? It's one thing to talk big on the internet, it's another when an officer is slamming your head, repeatedly, into a breezeblock wall for something you didn't even do.
It's a mafia, and you aint in it. They have ALL the guns and ALL the power. Good luck in your one man crusade.

People simply aren't intelligent enough to form a coherent resistance. They just aren't, and anyone who researches anything knows that. Our only hope now is Christ, and it pains me to say that, it really does. It sounds defeatist, but we never stood a chance.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by Wonderer2012
 


That spanish government is a big piece of sh!t. (Sorry mods, someone had to say it).

People starving in a country were their king likes to go hunting elephants.


Since the title of this thread adds a "warning to America" I will say this.....

People suffering in a country where their "king" goes golfing 110 times....people killed on the anniversary of 9-11 and our "king" goes to Vegas for a million dollar fund raiser.

you do realize that a presidential candidate can keep all the money he raises if it's not spent.

The Spanish people are addicted to entitlements. The cupboard is bare and they're pissed.

Tough crap.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by ThisIsNotReality
Seeing the violent police in the video, I couldn't stop thinking something;

One day, someone will be hurt/frustrated/angered/... enough by videos of this kind, that they will get a/their gun, attend a protest, and when all hell breaks loose, as it most likely will, will pull out said gun, and start shooting cops.


This is exactly what I have been saying for a few years now. There is a pattern, where psychology dictates that an event pushes a protest into revolution.

I don't know if there is a recognized name for the process, but here is how I believe things work...

1. Actions of government or a perceived injustice force people to take to the streets in a peaceful protest.

2. The government and police respond, usually through violence. This also includes the use of agents provocateurs to create a scene worthy of a crack down, and to allow them to use that footage for propaganda purposes to quell further protest. The fact of the matter is that no government can stop the masses when they are in such numbers, they are terrified of the people actually coming out in real numbers and immediately overpowering the police. 1 person cannot fight off 100, even if they are armed.

3. The government response and the propaganda used after is key here. The people see the protest, and if they see the police using extreme force, or they see an innocent person being maimed or killed, the next crowd will be far bigger as the protest changes from one of political message to one of revenge.

4. This is usually when things unravel and a protest truly becomes a revolution. If the crowd coming out in protest of the violence are attacked with the same level of police brutality, the crowd continues to grow and the response more violent. This is how it escalates into a revolution.

It's hard to explain it all, especially the use of media manipulation and propaganda to prevent protest (something the Spanish government is not good at in comparison to the UK and US), but it basically comes down to a spiral of elevating violence, starting with a sense of injustice.

The Egyptian revolution began with a man persecuted by the corrupt police setting himself on fire in a market place, but the violence began when the police opened fire. The violent protests in Athens a couple of years ago began when a 15 year old boy was shot by police, again the violence escalated because of that. The Syrian and Libyan revolutions began with protests, but became revolutions when the police attacked the people and the protests spread, leading to the revolution.

This is how Humans work. We see injustice and we get angry. We all hate bullies, and when we see the thugs beating people we want to be there to gang up with some others and give them a kicking back. That's what gets more people out on the streets and turns a protest into a revolution. The scared cops return with more violence, and the people become more and more angry until weapons become involved...

And I firmly believe that unless our governments manage to manipulate and control the free media (internet) as well as the corporate media, revolutions are probable across the western world. They can no longer keep a lid on the information like they used to (which is also why we're seeing an attack on internet freedoms). Now people do not need to rely on the BBC, Sky, CNN and Fox and see them labeling protesters as "anarchists" and reporting the actions of undercover cops as though they were protesters. Now we can watch it all live and see the truth for ourselves - the PTB don't like that one little bit, and that's because it removes a weapon they have for preventing the masses from swarming and overpowering them.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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it's about time the Spaniards got what they deserve. don't get me wrong, by no means am I happy this is happening to them, or to anyone else for that matter, I am human and have a certain amount of empathy; it's just my opinion that hardship was long overdue for this particular part of the world. throughout history, Spain, with their imperialism and colonialism has destroyed many wonderful things in their avarice, especially here in America (and I mean America as in the whole continent "America", not the egocentric brothers up in the north who call themselves "America" as if they were they only and most important thing to ever happen to this continent). I hope none of you take this the wrong way, it's not a message of hate or satisfaction towards the suffering of others, I think we have enough of that going on in the planet today to last us for centuries more to come. Just voicing my opinion here, that's all.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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I notice that there are so many more videos of police behaving badly than criminals behaving badley.
Who are you more likely to be harmed by police or criminals?

Odds are on the police.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by shadownmss
reply to post by munkey66
 


This can and will happen in the United States. I think the only difference is the large number of armed citizens. When the citizens in the U.S. respond to the beatings with gunfire, well I dont want to really think about the loss of life at that point. I believe there are something like 80 million gun owners in the U.S. and a lot more civillian weapons than that.


This is why they are desperate to take our guns away first before all this stuff happens. People in other countries just use rocks.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by shadownmss
reply to post by munkey66
 


This can and will happen in the United States. I think the only difference is the large number of armed citizens. When the citizens in the U.S. respond to the beatings with gunfire, well I dont want to really think about the loss of life at that point. I believe there are something like 80 million gun owners in the U.S. and a lot more civillian weapons than that.


You are right that they will retaliate.

What you are wrong about is the result. The gun owners have shotguns and .22 rifles mostly. A large number have high caliber guns and pistols too, but how many have armor piercing bullets? Without those you have to make a very precise shot to disable the threat.

The cops will have the upper hand if it comes to combat because the people are not as well armed. The people do not have armored vehicles or backup from military and federal troops. Homeland security will hire thugs to take down protesters and ship them all over when needed. If it comes to using deadly force they will have all the body armor and tactical gear money can buy since they have a bottomless pit of funding.

Americans would be committing suicide to arm against the cops or government. The only way to take the a-holes out of power is to recall all of the elected officials and install real Americans to dismantle the cabal. All of the alphabet soup must be eliminated. Most of them need to be charged with high treason and shot on public TV. The bankers who are guilty should also be held accountable whether from another country or not.

We can take our country back without violence if we all get on the same page and realize it is too broke to fix. If everyone would shut up about their differences and cooperate on solving our real problem which is an out of control government we would be fine.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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Who"s to blame , the people who gave the credit or those who took it ?
It was the Globalist Banking system that sought to bankrupt the Spanish and the world as a whole so that they could take control of the world . They are Globalist and have been working not to unite the world but to rule it .The Rothschilds are number one in this 250 year old family scheme and they have brought it to the final few years and eventual success . I'm sure that Spain or the Euro Zone has a Homeland security to enforce it's will .
Their 1st bankrupting was in 1929 when the FED put the United States into Bankruptcy . Now it seems that we are funding the United Nations and funneling money to the World Bank and to the Globalist. The first Austerity cuts happened here in Reagan's time where Full Retirement was moved to 66 and latter for others . We are now inline for some major life threatening cuts after the election . We will be the new Spain in the streets . In 1965 Johnson yielded to those powers and robbed Social Security . He was the Globalist puppet that got us into a war with a lie along with McNamara .



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by dava6711

Originally posted by seethetruth
the Spanish police were beating other police as they protested just makes me wonder where they get there riot police from , and the protests are just in Madrid its not all over Spain ,,

and it was France who had the revolution not Spain , the French cut the heads off all the rich aristocrat and bankers just like what we need to do only they have been clever this time and they have everybody where they want them ,,struggling to keep there mortgage payments up so they dare not revolt and loose every thing ,,,


WTF, seriously, Spanish police were beating other police officers who were protesting themselves? I never noticed this, were the police officers who were beaten wearing their uniforms at the time?
The police were undercover in the protestm tryinng to start trouble. (agent provocatuers) In one video, you can see the police dragging an under cover up the road and giving him a kicking, while he screams "I'm your effing collegue!"

so this proves 1 of 2 things (or both)

1 - The police were violently attacking everyone, even peaceful people.
2 - The police were also being violent from inside the protest, trying to make it turn ugly.

I found the video


Aslong as there are people willing to carry out orders where they get to smash in people protesting, then we will have violent protests. Every protest I've been to which has turned violent, the police have always been the antagonists. be it from having plants, or from getting baton happy. They need to relaise that this is wrong. It is wrong to beat people who are protesting, it is wrong to batter people to death for protesting. It is wrong to stop them in anyway, unless they are damaging property or being violent themselves. No problem with snatch squads taking out the trouble element. That's actual police work. But while the filthy scum are willing to beat protesters to protect the goverment, then they will never have my respect. Just my utter distain.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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When and if we (The US) get to this stage...... there will be armed conflict between the Public and all those tyranical entities.

It reminds me of a news headline about Detroit a couple days ago. Police are advising people don't visit Detroit, because they cant assure their safety. Detroit is out of control, or so they would have us believe. What if the whole of the US became the same? Law enforcement would be a battle ground.....



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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Ah humanity at its finest.


First that vid is taken a bit out of context, its made to rile people up. Not that people should not be riled up, because they should. But its a cause and effect thing, a knee jerk reaction that will lead to a knee jerk reaction. And if you did not know before then now you know, that yes the police the military and any other institution and group in the end are all just doing there job, in fact everybody everywhere has always done there "job" And yes even in war its what it comes down to, following orders and doing there job.

It was like the one quote that the Germans soldiers on trial used when it came around in WW2 were fond of saying, "we were just doing our job". And no there is no difference between them and any other military or police force on this planet, when it comes down to it they will do what they have to do. Its all about control and if you control there source of income or there food and housing structures you basically control them, and then you can say that if you do not do this you lose it all. And most everybody has a family to feed they can not afford to do that, and so they go along with whatever is posed before them. Its like only been done for the past all of human history, its like the defacto way in controlling peoples and populations.

This vid while touchy says very few things about the situation at hand in Spain, but no doubt they are waking up the certain facts of the whole scam they have been under. And no doubt they may be a bit angry when that happens, but no doubt there is also a contingency plan in place for all that. Using the police force to subdue the populous is just one of the things in that contingency plan.

And I just got to lol at some people saying that because the American populous is armed such things will not happen. First off-course it can happen, and second now a days with sonic weapons that can bring you to your knees vomiting and other that can even target populations from space, I do not think the common handgun is really all that effective to fight all that if the # really hits the fan and the Calvary gets called in to subdue the populous. Who knows maybe that is one scenario that they wish to test out, and could be why they rile up the people. But I am sure most are to busy to really notice that things are a changing on planet earth, and the rest. Well there happily sedated by there own choices.

I am afraid there is no good solution to this matter at all, because frankly the whole thing is rotten from the top down, as above and so bellow. Everybody really needs to chill, and find more reasonable and rational approaches to such problems. But really I think they should start by not giving the people institutions, corporations, and entities that create these problems to begin with more power and control. That has been proven time and time again to not work.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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As we have seen with the Occupy movement even nonviolent mass protests have been met with the authoritarian fist of the Oligarchy’s army of mercenaries so we can be rest assured when those numbers swell into the millions, as they have in Spain and several other European nations, the response the police state will be just as brutal.


"Even non-violent mass protests"? Non-violent protests are ALWAYS the one that get repressed the most violently!
Otherwise how the hell could a handful of cops be so aggressive and violent against 100 times the number of protesters???

That's because THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY VIOLENCE coming from protesters! Not even the black blocs... trying to hit cops with flags!? Gosh, were still into fantasyland, Alice...

THink you could achieve anything with your Mickey Mouse tactics? So it seems, you haven't achieved much...



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Spain looks like it is either the "test case" or the "example" for the rest of Europe.

If the Oligarchs can create a problem that they force the people to solve by starving and get away with it in Spain -- it's not going to magically get better for the rest of us.



posted on Oct, 8 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Are cops human? I've visited just about every mainstream news source as well as alternative news sources belonging to each US state and found that cops are abusing and over-stepping their authority. I have found articles and blogs telling stories of killings on innocent people and their pets, raids into wrong homes, brutal attacks on citizens, false evidence-wrongful arrests, speeding, using strobes and sirens to avoid red-lights and wait times; the list goes on and on and on. Every day there is something new, don't believe then check for yourself.





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