Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by detachedindividual
Of course spanish gov. is not the only bad one. That's obvious. But that is not the topic of this thread right?
edit on 7-10-2012 by Trueman
because: (no reason given)
It just seems a little pointless to focus on one government when we are all heading in the same direction. That's why I pointed out that the US
government is not really any different. We've presumably all seen the US police violence in New York (even though some seem to think that's fine,
because they're a bunch of "commies" and "socialists" funny how in the USA the right to assembly depends on your political opinion), and we've
seen a kid almost murdered by the riot police in Oakland, students sprayed with military grade chemical weapons, beatings, baton charges, mothers and
children fired on with rubber bullets...
Even after all of this has been witnessed, people look on at what's happening in Spain and Greece as though it's removed from them. It's already
happening in the US, people are just ignoring it, or they're making it political to justify it in their own minds. How many times have we seen people
on here preaching that it's okay for Occupy protesters to face this kind of thug response, because they're "infiltrated" or they're
"democrats"? It just seems ridiculous that so many Americans are in agreement when it comes to protesters in Spain being beaten by police, but in
the US there's barely mention of it.
I also think this is how the US government will delay any real uprising. All they need to do is spread around that a protest group was "paid by
*insert political group here*" and their support is halved, with plenty of people agreeing that they should be beaten into submission and silence -
freedom and rights are a great thing, as long as people agree with you.
That is how politically divided the US is. All it takes is a mention of a political affiliation and anything goes, from removing their right to
assemble to beating them with sticks.
If protest is going to work people need to understand that meeting a protest with violence is not uncommon, all governments do it. Their only weapon
against protest is force, and they will do anything to make that happen. We know they send in plain clothes officers to create violence in order to
justify their violent response, but they do this without realizing that they could indeed create a catalyst to grow a protest into a riot, and a riot
into a revolution.
This is what is now happening in Spain, and it's what will happen everywhere else too. There will come a moment when the police cause violence that
the wider public sees as unacceptable, this might be injury or death of a protester. But that moment will change the game completely.
In Spain, the anger is at such a level that no amount of government propaganda after the fact would prevent it from igniting what we've seen in the
Arab Spring, with revolution being the result. But in the US, it could easily be dealt with because the media is in the pocket of the government,
either through choice, through collusion or by simple laziness (relying on government statements and press releases instead of investigating). And the
people are almost BEGGING to be lied to and told that it's "those commies" causing the problems.
My point is that Spain is just the beginning. The Spanish police and government do not know what they are doing when it comes to protest. Neither do
our countries. They don't understand Human psychology - either how to control it with their own officers, or predict Human behavior in their
There will be more protests, and there will be a death or some other visible instance of extreme violence or unjust response (that could have been the
train station footage the Spanish people watched with disgust), and that will lead the public into an uncontrollable rage, which will likely result in
That is how it will happen in almost all countries, just as it has throughout the Arab world. That is why I raise the issue of the US being no better.
This will happen in the US one day, probably regionally, and then nationally. It's going to happen in the UK too. And it will happen throughout
Incidentally, there are protests planned for the UK this coming weekend, and today the Chancellor George Osborne is stating more attacks on the social
system to claw back money, while the rich are still getting richer. That shows how inept and out of touch government is. Goading people just days
before a massive protest in London... Idiot rich boys who don't pay attention to their own nation, just the equally rich people who pay them off
(sounds a lot like Romney, no?)
This shows how disconnected the UK government is, and others are no better.