Originally posted by Sinny
Council of foreign relations, and no, I highly doubt there was any point in time that particular think tank was a neutral or positive conception... Going from the works of scholars such as john coleman.

Exactly, scientific evidence, there's plenty of it in abundance, so why is he ignoring it?

Sagan was an unfortunate victim of the herd mentality so carefully cultivated and locked-tight by modern academe. Every time he ever started to possibly think outside the box, I bet his hands got clammy and his CFR OCD probably started acting up.

Sagan spoke in superlatives and with conviction even though he, like most, had to know that we don't know Jack when it comes to an infinite universe.

ETA: speaking of "cold hard facts" was it fairies that flew over the Whitehouse in '52?

I used to like that case too, but there's actually some pretty good evidence to suggest it was a test put on by our own Defense Dept to try out "radar spoofing"

However, Lady Sin, if it were a truly anomalous event...what you got against "fairies?" E.T. may not need to phone home. At least not long distance. Maybe they've been here with us all along.

But Sagan, yeah, Baaaaaad Sagan, baaaaaaad.

Im very late to this party and will probably get bashed for only now joining ATS after lurking since 2006 but heres my two cents.

From my recollection i thought it had been widely discussed and surmised that Sagan was a good guy who only later in his career had sold his soul to TPTB in exchange for being let in on the secret. He was establishment but not an insider until he agreed to keep the lie going in exchange for the forbidden knowledge.

In those circumstances id do the same. id lie to everyone i knew to be able to get access to that knowledge.

PS. dont ask me for links to back up my assertions because im stuck on a jellybean tablet and its taken me nearly an hour to write this.once youve had ios you can never go back....never go back ladies and gentlemen, never go back.

Dr. Sagan was tainted by his Doctoral mentor. Sagan intentionally went after, E. Velikovski, in the "Cosmos" series, just as his fellow graduates did in the Fifties. Their mentors forced the original publishing house to return the Velikovski manuscript of "Worlds in Collision." Which was picked up and published by another company without a large college textbook sales, to be threatened by the boycott of "professors." Sagan was a "popularizer" of astronomy and astrophysics. Notice there are no great discoveries or theories attached to his name, in the popular mind, like Einstein or Moore.