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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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edit on 6-10-2012 by neo96 because: screwed up the math whoops




posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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So the central bank should have "surplus" ?

You mean profit?

Sorry there should be no central bank, that is what the fed is that needs to be ended and one of the most corrupt organizations in this country just like all those other "public" entitles called government and their social programs.


Sure if it is publicly owned why not? I would love for every american citizen to receive a divident in the mail! You would not? Alaska used to give alaskans credit for making it big on oil since it was a state enterprise.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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What about the rockefellers, rothschilds, duponts and vanderbilts? How come they are NOT on that or ANY LIST to speak of?

Are the deep billionares and trillionares being covered up or what? You know OLD MONEY!


Some people DO INHERIT wealth.


Who cares? Really. Who cares?

This obsession with other peoples money!

Maybe treatment for it is covered under ObamaCare!





posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
Current federal spending level: $3.5 trillion dollars.

They could give every man,woman, and child, $10 million each that is 330 million Americans.

Must be a lot of overhead somewhere.


3,500,000,000,000
350,000,000

Not so sure about 10 million



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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What about the rockefellers, rothschilds, duponts and vanderbilts? How come they are NOT on that or ANY LIST to speak of?

Are the deep billionares and trillionares being covered up or what? You know OLD MONEY!


Some people DO INHERIT wealth.


Yet the myth that most people inherit their wealth is patently false. Secondly, this class warfare is not just about the Rockefellers, but is against and and all high wage earners.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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What about the rockefellers, rothschilds, duponts and vanderbilts? How come they are NOT on that or ANY LIST to speak of?

Are the deep billionares and trillionares being covered up or what? You know OLD MONEY!


Some people DO INHERIT wealth.


Yet the myth that most people inherit their wealth is patently false. Secondly, this class warfare is not just about the Rockefellers, but is against and and all high wage earners.


This about the elite class squeezing the rest dry, nobody would be upset otherwise if we were all
thriving.

Gas has gone up 300% in a decade, yet taxes have lowered and the elites are richer than ever before.

Makes your beliefs look illogical



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 01:53 PM
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The only way Alaska can do that is because they are selling something on the open market, then of course the population of Alaska is not 330 million.

Unless you have something to back up all those grand ideals they are just that "grand ideals".



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by campanionator

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


What about the rockefellers, rothschilds, duponts and vanderbilts? How come they are NOT on that or ANY LIST to speak of?

Are the deep billionares and trillionares being covered up or what? You know OLD MONEY!


Some people DO INHERIT wealth.


Yet the myth that most people inherit their wealth is patently false. Secondly, this class warfare is not just about the Rockefellers, but is against and and all high wage earners.


This about the elite class squeezing the rest dry, nobody would be upset otherwise if we were all
thriving.

Gas has gone up 300% in a decade, yet taxes have lowered and the elites are richer than ever before.

Makes your beliefs look illogical


Except that is not true. THe elites (whomever they are) are not bleeding us dry, government is. THe solution is not MORE government. These facts make your premise look illogical.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by campanionator

Originally posted by neo96
Current federal spending level: $3.5 trillion dollars.

They could give every man,woman, and child, $10 million each that is 330 million Americans.

Must be a lot of overhead somewhere.


3,500,000,000,000
350,000,000

Not so sure about 10 million


operator error screw up the zeros.

10,0000



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by campanionator

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


What about the rockefellers, rothschilds, duponts and vanderbilts? How come they are NOT on that or ANY LIST to speak of?

Are the deep billionares and trillionares being covered up or what? You know OLD MONEY!


Some people DO INHERIT wealth.


Yet the myth that most people inherit their wealth is patently false. Secondly, this class warfare is not just about the Rockefellers, but is against and and all high wage earners.


This about the elite class squeezing the rest dry, nobody would be upset otherwise if we were all
thriving.

Gas has gone up 300% in a decade, yet taxes have lowered and the elites are richer than ever before.

Makes your beliefs look illogical


Except that is not true. THe elites (whomever they are) are not bleeding us dry, government is. THe solution is not MORE government. These facts make your premise look illogical.


gas, which is privately priced and distributed was $1.30 in 2002 is now over $4.00 in 2012

Taxes have not been risen, yet prices have tripled. Those are facts

edit on 6-10-2012 by campanionator because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


What about the rockefellers, rothschilds, duponts and vanderbilts? How come they are NOT on that or ANY LIST to speak of?

Are the deep billionares and trillionares being covered up or what? You know OLD MONEY!


Some people DO INHERIT wealth.


Who cares? Really. Who cares?

This obsession with other peoples money!

Maybe treatment for it is covered under ObamaCare!




You must be joking. The democrats are controlled by the rockefellers and the republicans are controlled by the rothshilds. Each mafia family looking out for itself, while collectively destroying america and other countries with global feudalism.

Everyone should care otherwise maybe we should just shut up and commit suicide.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by campanionator
gas, which is privately priced and distributed was $1.30 in 2002 is now over $4.00 in 2012

Taxes have not been risen, yet prices have tripled. Those are facts

edit on 6-10-2012 by campanionator because: (no reason given)


And the facts are that overregulation, shutting down refineries, forbidding new pipelines and drilling, and mandates of dozens of different formulations of gasolie has caused this price spike, not some cabalistic conspiracy.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by campanionator

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


What about the rockefellers, rothschilds, duponts and vanderbilts? How come they are NOT on that or ANY LIST to speak of?

Are the deep billionares and trillionares being covered up or what? You know OLD MONEY!


Some people DO INHERIT wealth.


Yet the myth that most people inherit their wealth is patently false. Secondly, this class warfare is not just about the Rockefellers, but is against and and all high wage earners.


This about the elite class squeezing the rest dry, nobody would be upset otherwise if we were all
thriving.

Gas has gone up 300% in a decade, yet taxes have lowered and the elites are richer than ever before.

Makes your beliefs look illogical


Except that is not true. THe elites (whomever they are) are not bleeding us dry, government is. THe solution is not MORE government. These facts make your premise look illogical.


A government controlled by elites is tyranny. Stop with the circular arguements! It is silly.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
A government controlled by elites is tyranny. Stop with the circular arguements! It is silly.


A government is what the people demand it is. If people would stop voting their freedoms away to get the handouts, there would not be any tyranny. What is silly is this thought of an international cabal taking away everyone's freedom when people give it away every election of their own free will.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by campanionator
gas, which is privately priced and distributed was $1.30 in 2002 is now over $4.00 in 2012

Taxes have not been risen, yet prices have tripled. Those are facts

edit on 6-10-2012 by campanionator because: (no reason given)


And the facts are that overregulation, shutting down refineries, forbidding new pipelines and drilling, and mandates of dozens of different formulations of gasolie has caused this price spike, not some cabalistic conspiracy.


I am using numbers

You make it sound as if the industry wants to keep prices low... While reality would dictate
they would want to make all the money possible. Which they have, the highest profits in history.

Those historic profits indicate that they could have offset/lowered prices, yet they
chose profits.

You are using a cabalistic conspiracy with seven components if you've noticed,

300% increase and highest profits and history tell pretty clear story, you chose to ignore
the truth.


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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by NavyDoc
 


What about the rockefellers, rothschilds, duponts and vanderbilts? How come they are NOT on that or ANY LIST to speak of?

Are the deep billionares and trillionares being covered up or what? You know OLD MONEY!


Some people DO INHERIT wealth.


Yet the myth that most people inherit their wealth is patently false. Secondly, this class warfare is not just about the Rockefellers, but is against and and all high wage earners.


The trillionares protect the billionares and the billionares protect the millionares. Socialism for the rich is a given while everyone else has to survive cut throat capitalism. The more money you accumulate, the more money you can spend on lobbying and buying a president.

Then people wonder why libertarians, socialists, greens, constitutionalists can't make it on the debate floor.

Everything is interconnected somehow. People like you don't bother state facts cause you have a wall street agenda. Obvious now?



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by campanionator

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by campanionator
gas, which is privately priced and distributed was $1.30 in 2002 is now over $4.00 in 2012

Taxes have not been risen, yet prices have tripled. Those are facts

edit on 6-10-2012 by campanionator because: (no reason given)


And the facts are that overregulation, shutting down refineries, forbidding new pipelines and drilling, and mandates of dozens of different formulations of gasolie has caused this price spike, not some cabalistic conspiracy.


I am using numbers

You make it sound as if the industry wants to keep prices low... While reality would dictate
they would want to make all the money possible. Which they have, the highest profits in history.

Those historic profits indicate that they could have offset/lowered prices, yet they
chose profits.

You are using a cabalistic conspiracy with seven components if you've noticed,

300% increase and highest profits and history tell pretty clear story, you chose to ignore
the truth.


edit on 6-10-2012 by campanionator because: (no reason given)


No, you ignore the truth. The highest profits, sure, but still around 10% which is not eggregious by any sort of measure. You maximize profit by finding the balance between increased prices and decreased demand. If you price your products too high, demand and profit will fall. The truth of the matter is that the oil companies are not causing these price increases.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by campanionator

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by campanionator
gas, which is privately priced and distributed was $1.30 in 2002 is now over $4.00 in 2012

Taxes have not been risen, yet prices have tripled. Those are facts

edit on 6-10-2012 by campanionator because: (no reason given)


And the facts are that overregulation, shutting down refineries, forbidding new pipelines and drilling, and mandates of dozens of different formulations of gasolie has caused this price spike, not some cabalistic conspiracy.


I am using numbers

You make it sound as if the industry wants to keep prices low... While reality would dictate
they would want to make all the money possible. Which they have, the highest profits in history.

Those historic profits indicate that they could have offset/lowered prices, yet they
chose profits.

You are using a cabalistic conspiracy with seven components if you've noticed,

300% increase and highest profits and history tell pretty clear story, you chose to ignore
the truth.


edit on 6-10-2012 by campanionator because: (no reason given)


No, you ignore the truth. The highest profits, sure, but still around 10% which is not eggregious by any sort of measure. You maximize profit by finding the balance between increased prices and decreased demand. If you price your products too high, demand and profit will fall. The truth of the matter is that the oil companies are not causing these price increases.


You are ignoring a 300% increase in prices sir.

Did you get a 300% raise?

have pumps, motors and drill bits increased 300%???

NO

The price has been too high for years and what have the done???

They have RAISED PRICES


Are you being serious or are you kidding?

I think, for some reason, you think oil companies or market makers have a motivation to lower
prices.

I don't know what to say to you, it really bothers me that you can't wrap your head around the
incongruence of what you are arguing for.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
The trillionares protect the billionares and the billionares protect the millionares. Socialism for the rich is a given while everyone else has to survive cut throat capitalism. The more money you accumulate, the more money you can spend on lobbying and buying a president.

Then people wonder why libertarians, socialists, greens, constitutionalists can't make it on the debate floor.

Everything is interconnected somehow. People like you don't bother state facts cause you have a wall street agenda. Obvious now?


Bwahahaha! Don't understand how competition or the free market work do you? David Rockefeller is big in the support of socialist and the green movement. The green movement has created the excuse for some of the biggest power grabs in history. If you are a socialist or a greenie, you are dancing to Rockefeller's tune.




The Trilateral Commission was founded in 1973 by David Rockefeller with Zbigniew Brzezinski as executive director, after Brzezinski published Between Two Ages, which became the blueprint for the TC. David read and appreciated his ideas, which included, "Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man's universal vision. Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief."

"Such a society would be dominated by an elite whose claim to political power would rest on allegedly superior scientific know-how. Unhindered by the restraints of traditional liberal values, this elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by the latest modern techniques for influencing public behavior and keeping society under close surveillance and control."

"The Soviet Union could have emerged as the standard-bearer of this century's most influential system of thought and as the social model for resolving the key dilemmas facing modern man." 33






David Rockefeller was the connection and influence to the Earth Charter and Maurice Strong of Canada. In 1972 Strong was Secretary General of the first Earth Summit in Stockholm. This led to the creation of the United Nations Environmental Program (UNEP) 40 in 1972. Strong was UNEP's first Exec. Director. At the same time Strong served as the Director of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature (IUCN).41 The IUCN was accredited by the UN in 1946 to become its "scientific advisor" and was made up of various government scientists. Within the IUCN, the EPA, USFWS (who administers The US Endangered Species Act), Nat. Park Service, US Forest Service, and Nat. Ocean and Atmosphere Adm. huddle behind closed doors with the Sierra Club, National Audubon, National Wildlife Federation, Nature Conservancy, Natural Resources Defense Council, Environ. Defense Fund, etc. to plan and implement this global agenda and the new global ethics from above and below. The IUCN wrote the Convention on Biodiversity 42 and created the pantheistic pseudoscience called "conservation biology" to "prove" earth's ecosystems were being mortally wounded by human use. The IUCN also founded the World Wildlife Fund for Nature (WWF) and the World Resources Institute (WRI) which pass the banner back and fourth in developing and promoting treaties and agreements ... " 43

Steven C. Rockefeller, Chair, the UN's Earth Charter 44 International Drafting Committee. The Earth Summit held in Rio de Janeiro in 1992, began drafting the Earth Charter. "the Earth Charter [objectives] are fully in line with the goals and ideals enshrined in the constitution of UNESCO," of which SIL is a Partner. Robert S. McNamara, mentioned above, is an honorary member of the Earth Charter.


Ah, socialist idealists and greenies. More of Marx's useful idiots.

LIbertarianism I agree with. But libertarianism is about free market capitalism an would be in opposition to your socialist dream. Socialism would just give Rockefeller more of what he wants in the long run.
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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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Here is a video of Obama campaigning on higher gas prices so that alternative energy sources can compete. He wants high gas prices. It is just inconvenient right before election. If he is elected the price will go up much higher.

www.youtube.com...





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