Punishing people because they inherited money is like punishing people because they were born with a genetic disposition to be tall.

This absolute hatred towards anyone with wealth astounds me.

Growing up, we all talked about working and getting jobs where we could all be wealthy.

Now?

People look at wealthy folks and say, "Git 'em!"

I guess it's easier and lazier to get money redistributed from government than working for it. But it sets such a lousy precedent!

Originally posted by campanionator


You are ignoring a 300% increase in prices sir.

Did you get a 300% raise?

have pumps, motors and drill bits increased 300%???

NO

The price has been too high for years and what have the done???

They have RAISED PRICES

Are you being serious or are you kidding?

I think, for some reason, you think oil companies or market makers have a motivation to lower
prices.

I don't know what to say to you, it really bothers me that you can't wrap your head around the
incongruence of what you are arguing for.

And I can't wrap my head on the lack of knowlege of how things work in the industry or the market. Refineries have been shut down, this reduces supply and increases cost of creating the goods. Exploration has been limited, which drives up the potential future cost of any commodity. At the proposed Canadian pipline, prices dipped because of anticipation of increased supply, when it was killed (on our end) by the administration, prices went up becuase that increase of supply was taken away. It is very expensive to have many formulations of gasoline, especially with refineries going off line. The lefties in California mandate many of these formulations for "environmental" reasons. Guess what? Gas in California is shooting up to 6 bucks a gallon.

Lets see if you can understand this: the cost of corn and wheat have gone up this year. Must be those dirty farmers, by your logic, price fixing and gouging. Nevermind that there was a drought that reduced supply.

Gas is up because of decisions made by our elected representatives. That, sir, is the facts behind the matter regardless how much people hate "corporations."

Have you seen any evidence that profits have increased by 300%? No, of course not because there is none.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by campanionator


You are ignoring a 300% increase in prices sir.

Did you get a 300% raise?

have pumps, motors and drill bits increased 300%???

NO

The price has been too high for years and what have the done???

They have RAISED PRICES

Are you being serious or are you kidding?

I think, for some reason, you think oil companies or market makers have a motivation to lower
prices.

I don't know what to say to you, it really bothers me that you can't wrap your head around the
incongruence of what you are arguing for.

And I can't wrap my head on the lack of knowlege of how things work in the industry or the market. Refineries have been shut down, this reduces supply and increases cost of creating the goods.

And you don't think that the industry can strategically shut down refineries to squeeze supply and
create more profit???

This is where you are erroneously assigning a benevolent motive to oil companies.

Why?

What makes you think they want lower prices??? Did you ever want to make less money?

Exploration has been limited, which drives up the potential future cost of any commodity.

No it has not, in five years the amount of land that has been opened to oil leases has increased 25 million
hectares in the U.S territories alone.

At the proposed Canadian pipline, prices dipped because of anticipation of increased supply, when it was killed (on our end) by the administration, prices went up becuase that increase of supply was taken away. It is very expensive to have many formulations of gasoline, especially with refineries going off line. The lefties in California mandate many of these formulations for "environmental" reasons. Guess what? Gas in California is shooting up to 6 bucks a gallon.

It is the industry that is taking the refineries offline, it is a business decision to make more money,
with less work. It is working too, yet you can't except that -

Lets see if you can understand this: the cost of corn and wheat have gone up this year. Must be those dirty farmers, by your logic, price fixing and gouging. Nevermind that there was a drought that reduced supply.

Did the farmers DECIDE to stop watering their corn, just like the industry decided to slash their
refinery capabilities?

Gas is up because of decisions made by our elected representatives. That, sir, is the facts behind the matter regardless how much people hate "corporations."

No sir, prices are up 300% in a decade because the people who profit from the industry want to
make more money.

Please tell me, PLEASE,

What makes you think oil executives want to make less money for more output?

Have you seen any evidence that profits have increased by 300%? No, of course not because there is none.

What makes you think that costs to produce oil have increased 300%?

Do you realize that a business can convert income into assets to make profits appear low?
Or they can convert income into holdings shares that make profit appear low, even though they
have essentially converted massive amounts of profit into "expense"

And please answer the question I underlined

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Originally posted by beezzer
If you increase taxes on the wealthy, then prices for goods and services will increase propotionately and the burden will then be on the poor and middle classes to cover it.

If government can't control spending, then they will continue to raise/want to raise taxes.

If you increase taxes on the middle class they have no money to buy crap from wealthy people. Then where are they going to get their wealth from?

Originally posted by neo96
then add the dollar was worth a lot more, and they were not importing thousands of products everyday we were exporting.

Drinking and posting seems like the reason this thread was started in the first place. I think I need a translator.

Originally posted by Andcoulter

Originally posted by campanionator
In your world, it only works one way, and that is pretty good for millionaires, while the rest of
us get squeezed by over 100% increases, you propose they get a break.

Explain yourself.

He cannot.
Neo cannot answer a straight question.
He can barely seem to hold a simple concept for even a fleeting moment. This entire thread is just right wing talk radio online.

He is entitled to have wealth handed to him, he said so. He does not know why and he spent several pages complaining about entitlements.

What you did here was confuse him by using words that go together when you write stuff.

So can you tell me why gas prices have increased over 300% in a decade even though taxes
have been lowered?

Do you have a theory?

Maybe I should hit my head with a truck and then I'll understand???

Originally posted by NavyDoc
What? Where do you get that? Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, JK Rowling, Nick Sparks, Steve Speilburg, George Lucas, Ross Perot, Oprah Winfrey, etc are all self made.

They all made money from customers did they not? Or did they just print their own wealth? How rich would George Lucas be if no one ever bought a movie ticket? Who buys most movie tickets? The rich or the middle class and poor?

Yes, these rich people made money themselves by finding a way to get that money from other people who had it. Now it has been redistributed and that is why they have so much of it.

These are all really simple concepts and it scares me that they are still too deep for any Republicans on here to grasp.

Oh please this again would anyone point to me anywhere where he said that we have to raise taxes on the 1% or even take their money and hand it out? I know that I heard Mitt Romney talk about closing tax loopholes and I heard Obama say something about ending the tax breaks (basically different wording for the same thing), so again tell me when does that sentence or even the Quoted article in the OP say anything about us poor and middle class becoming modern day Robin Hoods, again.

Originally posted by beezzer
Punishing people because they inherited money is like punishing people because they were born with a genetic disposition to be tall.

This absolute hatred towards anyone with wealth astounds me.

Growing up, we all talked about working and getting jobs where we could all be wealthy.

Now?

People look at wealthy folks and say, "Git 'em!"

I guess it's easier and lazier to get money redistributed from government than working for it. But it sets such a lousy precedent!

edit on 6-10-2012 by beezzer because: (no reason given)

Nah, you got me all turned around. I feel really bad for the wealthy.
Tell you what, I am willing to trade places with all the wealthy people that feel so punished.
Any takers?
or are you full of #?

Originally posted by campanionator

So can you tell me why gas prices have increased over 300% in a decade even though taxes
have been lowered?

Do you have a theory?

Maybe I should hit my head with a truck and then I'll understand???

Obama, socialism, marxism, redistribution, blah blah blah. That is the only reason any prices have gone up on anything in the last decade. Oh, and the Muslim Brotherhood has something to do with it. Obama started this mess back in the 80s, not Reagan. Anyone that can be born in Kenya with the sole purpose of pretending to be born in Hawaii just to become president some 40+ years later obviously was playing the long game.