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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:40 PM
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Punishing people because they inherited money is like punishing people because they were born with a genetic disposition to be tall.

This absolute hatred towards anyone with wealth astounds me.

Growing up, we all talked about working and getting jobs where we could all be wealthy.

Now?

People look at wealthy folks and say, "Git 'em!"

I guess it's easier and lazier to get money redistributed from government than working for it. But it sets such a lousy precedent!
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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by jimmiec
reply to post by campanionator
 



Here is a video of Obama campaigning on higher gas prices so that alternative energy sources can compete. He wants high gas prices. It is just inconvenient right before election. If he is elected the price will go up much higher.

www.youtube.com...



Can you show me how Obama controls gas prices?


Gas prices went up 400% by the summer of 2008 before Obama was elected

from $1.15 in 2000 to nearly $4.50 in 2008 - Obama wasn't president

what are you defending???



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by campanionator


You are ignoring a 300% increase in prices sir.

Did you get a 300% raise?

have pumps, motors and drill bits increased 300%???

NO

The price has been too high for years and what have the done???

They have RAISED PRICES


Are you being serious or are you kidding?

I think, for some reason, you think oil companies or market makers have a motivation to lower
prices.

I don't know what to say to you, it really bothers me that you can't wrap your head around the
incongruence of what you are arguing for.


And I can't wrap my head on the lack of knowlege of how things work in the industry or the market. Refineries have been shut down, this reduces supply and increases cost of creating the goods. Exploration has been limited, which drives up the potential future cost of any commodity. At the proposed Canadian pipline, prices dipped because of anticipation of increased supply, when it was killed (on our end) by the administration, prices went up becuase that increase of supply was taken away. It is very expensive to have many formulations of gasoline, especially with refineries going off line. The lefties in California mandate many of these formulations for "environmental" reasons. Guess what? Gas in California is shooting up to 6 bucks a gallon.

Lets see if you can understand this: the cost of corn and wheat have gone up this year. Must be those dirty farmers, by your logic, price fixing and gouging. Nevermind that there was a drought that reduced supply.

Gas is up because of decisions made by our elected representatives. That, sir, is the facts behind the matter regardless how much people hate "corporations."

Have you seen any evidence that profits have increased by 300%? No, of course not because there is none.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by campanionator


You are ignoring a 300% increase in prices sir.

Did you get a 300% raise?

have pumps, motors and drill bits increased 300%???

NO

The price has been too high for years and what have the done???

They have RAISED PRICES


Are you being serious or are you kidding?

I think, for some reason, you think oil companies or market makers have a motivation to lower
prices.

I don't know what to say to you, it really bothers me that you can't wrap your head around the
incongruence of what you are arguing for.


And I can't wrap my head on the lack of knowlege of how things work in the industry or the market. Refineries have been shut down, this reduces supply and increases cost of creating the goods.


And you don't think that the industry can strategically shut down refineries to squeeze supply and
create more profit???

This is where you are erroneously assigning a benevolent motive to oil companies.

Why?

What makes you think they want lower prices??? Did you ever want to make less money?



Exploration has been limited, which drives up the potential future cost of any commodity.


No it has not, in five years the amount of land that has been opened to oil leases has increased 25 million
hectares in the U.S territories alone.




At the proposed Canadian pipline, prices dipped because of anticipation of increased supply, when it was killed (on our end) by the administration, prices went up becuase that increase of supply was taken away. It is very expensive to have many formulations of gasoline, especially with refineries going off line. The lefties in California mandate many of these formulations for "environmental" reasons. Guess what? Gas in California is shooting up to 6 bucks a gallon.


It is the industry that is taking the refineries offline, it is a business decision to make more money,
with less work. It is working too, yet you can't except that -



Lets see if you can understand this: the cost of corn and wheat have gone up this year. Must be those dirty farmers, by your logic, price fixing and gouging. Nevermind that there was a drought that reduced supply.


Did the farmers DECIDE to stop watering their corn, just like the industry decided to slash their
refinery capabilities?




Gas is up because of decisions made by our elected representatives. That, sir, is the facts behind the matter regardless how much people hate "corporations."


No sir, prices are up 300% in a decade because the people who profit from the industry want to
make more money.

Please tell me, PLEASE,

What makes you think oil executives want to make less money for more output?



Have you seen any evidence that profits have increased by 300%? No, of course not because there is none.


What makes you think that costs to produce oil have increased 300%?

Do you realize that a business can convert income into assets to make profits appear low?
Or they can convert income into holdings shares that make profit appear low, even though they
have essentially converted massive amounts of profit into "expense"

And please answer the question I underlined
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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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So, using your example of the oil companies, they want to make profit!

But if government taxes them more, they won't want to make more profit and raise prices??

Seems like you're contradicting yourself.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
If you increase taxes on the wealthy, then prices for goods and services will increase propotionately and the burden will then be on the poor and middle classes to cover it.

If government can't control spending, then they will continue to raise/want to raise taxes.


If you increase taxes on the middle class they have no money to buy crap from wealthy people. Then where are they going to get their wealth from?



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
then add the dollar was worth a lot more, and they were not importing thousands of products everyday we were exporting.


Drinking and posting seems like the reason this thread was started in the first place. I think I need a translator.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by campanionator
 


Keep trying. Please defend class warfare and wealth redistribution.

Or continue with the personal insults.

Whichever. . . . . . .


Show me one tax that does not redistribute wealth.


Do you all just reach into a right wing talking points hat and pull out random cards?



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by campanionator
 


So, using your example of the oil companies, they want to make profit!

But if government taxes them more, they won't want to make more profit and raise prices??

Seems like you're contradicting yourself.


Lowering taxes on them have raised prices 300%

Fire, Aim, Ready!


why don't YOU explain that point since you are the one making it.
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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:25 PM
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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Andcoulter

Originally posted by campanionator
In your world, it only works one way, and that is pretty good for millionaires, while the rest of
us get squeezed by over 100% increases, you propose they get a break.

Explain yourself.


He cannot.
Neo cannot answer a straight question.
He can barely seem to hold a simple concept for even a fleeting moment. This entire thread is just right wing talk radio online.

He is entitled to have wealth handed to him, he said so. He does not know why and he spent several pages complaining about entitlements.

What you did here was confuse him by using words that go together when you write stuff.


So can you tell me why gas prices have increased over 300% in a decade even though taxes
have been lowered?

Do you have a theory?

Maybe I should hit my head with a truck and then I'll understand???



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by NavyDoc
What? Where do you get that? Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, JK Rowling, Nick Sparks, Steve Speilburg, George Lucas, Ross Perot, Oprah Winfrey, etc are all self made.


They all made money from customers did they not? Or did they just print their own wealth? How rich would George Lucas be if no one ever bought a movie ticket? Who buys most movie tickets? The rich or the middle class and poor?

Yes, these rich people made money themselves by finding a way to get that money from other people who had it. Now it has been redistributed and that is why they have so much of it.

These are all really simple concepts and it scares me that they are still too deep for any Republicans on here to grasp.
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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:38 PM
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Oh please this again would anyone point to me anywhere where he said that we have to raise taxes on the 1% or even take their money and hand it out? I know that I heard Mitt Romney talk about closing tax loopholes and I heard Obama say something about ending the tax breaks (basically different wording for the same thing), so again tell me when does that sentence or even the Quoted article in the OP say anything about us poor and middle class becoming modern day Robin Hoods, again.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
Punishing people because they inherited money is like punishing people because they were born with a genetic disposition to be tall.

This absolute hatred towards anyone with wealth astounds me.

Growing up, we all talked about working and getting jobs where we could all be wealthy.

Now?

People look at wealthy folks and say, "Git 'em!"

I guess it's easier and lazier to get money redistributed from government than working for it. But it sets such a lousy precedent!
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Nah, you got me all turned around. I feel really bad for the wealthy.
Tell you what, I am willing to trade places with all the wealthy people that feel so punished.
Any takers?
or are you full of #?



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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What over regulation? What refineries closing? The pipeline as in Keystone? The one that Obama wants to build but can't because it goes through Sovereign Tribal lands and the Native Americans said no? That one? Next anything but greed excuse please.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Andcoulter

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by campanionator
 


So, using your example of the oil companies, they want to make profit!

But if government taxes them more, they won't want to make more profit and raise prices??

Seems like you're contradicting yourself.


This is a capitalist country according to you and I am fairly sure you defend capitalism all the time.
So who cares if gas gets too expensive. The free market will control prices, right? Gas is too expensive so we will just buy something else.
Oh... wait...damn now your ideologies are vomiting all over each other just like Neo's opening post and subsequent responses about it.
NICE SUIT FOLLOWING at least.

I guess if you cannot discuss the topic, just keep shoveling #.


didn't you know???

the oil companies want to make less money!

It is the government that is forcing them to become so rich, because the liberals are punishing them
for being successful!
errr ????



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by campanionator

So can you tell me why gas prices have increased over 300% in a decade even though taxes
have been lowered?

Do you have a theory?

Maybe I should hit my head with a truck and then I'll understand???


Obama, socialism, marxism, redistribution, blah blah blah. That is the only reason any prices have gone up on anything in the last decade. Oh, and the Muslim Brotherhood has something to do with it. Obama started this mess back in the 80s, not Reagan. Anyone that can be born in Kenya with the sole purpose of pretending to be born in Hawaii just to become president some 40+ years later obviously was playing the long game.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by Useyourreason

Originally posted by Gridrebel
Oh.....did we forget to say Thank You to Obama? Last time I remembered, I wanted to be well off, able to afford groceries, gas and a little fun stuff. I can say I barely afford gas, I've stocked up on groceries, thank goodness. The fun stuff????? Maybe next year.

Obama is lame, his whole essence is to barely get by. It's what he practices and what he is advocating.
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I'm surprised that you can't remember who crashed the economy. No mortal could turn the disaster around that George W Bush put the U.S. in (the 8 years he was in power) within 4 years.
Especially with the Republicans saying their main goal was getting him out of officewww.youtube.com... (not advancing America, but getting their rival out of office) and blocking his every effort and then accusing him of not doing anything?
This is the type of tactics republicans use
www.youtube.com...#!
they don't believe in democracy only winning.

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The blame game????again????? Yet you ignore the fact he had the first two years as an open book, anything he wanted. Why do people seem to forget this? Like I said, no culpability, no responsibility, nothing. He just isn't here. I believe he is the one who CHOSE this job, PROMISED hope and change, PROMISED to make a difference. Or did I get that wrong?




Obama, Pelosi and Reid had a super majority in Congress for 2 years. Before that, Pelosi and Reid had a super majority under Bush for 2 years.

During those years of democrat domination, they failed to pass a budget for over 865 days, yet they blame it on Bush and the GOP.

Read more: wiki.answers.com...


Looking forward to your reply.
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