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Originally posted by thebtheb
All right, I have no problem with people who want to get vaccinated and choose to do it and have decided that they believe it's a wise decision. It's not my way, but the debates on here about vaccines are endless. But one thing I am tired of hearing and that needs to be corrected here and now is the often cited retort by pro-vaccine people that, "You're putting other people in danger if you don't get vaccinated. It's irresponsible."
To set the record straight, it is well known that people getting certain vaccinations, then shed that very virus they were vaccinated against. So yes, what can and does happen is that those around the newly vaccinated person may GET that disease FROM the vaccinated person. The virus may be shed by the vaccinated person from 72 hours to literally weeks after their vaccination. This shedding can occur through feces, urine, mouth/saliva and through the nose.
This is NOT a theory. It is a documented fact. The worst case scenario is the example of polio. Polio was eradicated in North America and the last case having finished by the 80s. BUT since they started vaccinating third world populations with the nasal polio vaccine, they thought it would be a good idea to introduce that vaccine to children in North America, even though there was no need. The FDA and CDC themselves have admitted that this essentially reintroduced Polio back into North America, through vaccine shedding - other people getting polio from those who were vaccinated, and I might add, those who didn't need to be vaccinated for it.
Vaccine shedding is so well known among doctors that when someone has cancer, or organ transplant surgery, they are told to stay away from the recently vaccinated. Do they tell this to the public at large? Do they tell you this in the ads urging you to get the flu shot? I think you know the answer.
Vaccine virus shedding has happened with vaccines including:measles, rubella, chicken pox, rotavirus and the common flu shot.
READ FOR YOURSELF
So, if you want to get vaccinated, and I don't, please don't tell me I'm being irresponsible. Unless everyone got vaccinated on the same day at the same time, your getting vaccinated could make someone else ill.edit on 4-10-2012 by thebtheb because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by R0CKY
In conclusion it’s clear that “vaccine shedding” is a nonsense phrase. The lack of accounts of children transmitting viruses to younger siblings and friends after vaccination is a dead giveaway. Whilst viral shedding is a reality we can be confident that:
Viral shedding applies only to live virus vaccines and is significantly low, low risk
Post vaccination viral shedding of rotavirus and varicella is detected in the stools for 4-6 weeks respectively. It’s of such low risk as to be of cautionary interest regarding immunocompromised individuals
Genuine concern about viral shedding in these groups is managed with sound hygiene and avoiding contact with stools
In rare cases of post varicella immunisation vesicular rash shedding may occur. Transmission is still unlikely
The lack of viral shedding following MMR eliminates any concerns about transmission
Claims of DTaP shedding and transmission are bogus
Stories about whooping cough transmission from vaccine shedding are demonstrably false
Stories of polio infection being a risk due to shedding are designed to scare
Antivaccination lobbyists use false and incomplete information about shedding to create fear of vaccines/the vaccinated
Shedding of LAIV is at markedly low concentration, short duration and transmission is dwarfed by seasonal influenza transmission
Accurate information about the topic is drowned out by antivaccination sites and “mothering” forums making inaccurate claims
Originally posted by AceWombat04
I'm fascinated by the viral shedding. Does this refer only to live vaccine, or also to inactivated vaccine? I take the inactivated vaccine every year because I have severe asthma and a strong propensity for respiratory tract infections. When I get so much as a cold, I'm sick for a long time and it really does a number on me. I've had pneumonia several times from the flu, a couple of times becoming gravely ill. So I really have to take it in my case. (Though, I don't go anywhere for quite some time after the shot, because I feel like crap for days, so hopefully you're all safe from my shedding. )
But that said, I absolutely and unequivocally oppose compulsory vaccinations. The right of a patient to refuse any medical treatment is at the core of what should be proper medical ethics, and forcing anyone to receive any form of treatment, prophylactic or otherwise, is not ethical in my opinion.
Originally posted by Sinny
I feel sorry for my self, I've had all the vaccines under the sun, and ones that may or may not effect my motherhood, or my future daughters motherhood.
Too late for me, but what happens when its time to decide if my child should get vaccinated?
Hmm. I can see me being in a pickle.
Originally posted by Monteriano
I am 52 years old, the oldest of five children, and none of us have ever been vaccinated in our lives. My father was a doctor and he was dead set against anyone ever being vaccinated for any reason. All of us are alive and well. Yes, we got a few diseases along the way but somehow managed to survive them. succoming to brainwashing by the authorities is a much worse disease then measels and much more epidemic. Why is everyone so afraid to thumb their noses to authority? F$%K Authority!!!
Originally posted by dollukka
reply to post by Merlin Lawndart
Its not an issue of invidual but the community as a whole news.health.com...
My kid developed diabetes type 1 after chicken pox, chicken pox vaccination is not mandatory in my country and believe me if i knew chicken pox is the one which triggered this i would have had him vaccinated to that.
As stated before if you are healthy and are vaccinated there is not much to be scared about of those unvaccinated, BUT if you have underlying disease like diabetes type 1 you are in great RISK. If you have a baby not vaccinated yet she/he is in RISK. Your elderly people are in RISK. There is bunch of people who are at RISK when you are not vaccinated and are ill.
Originally posted by dollukka
reply to post by thebtheb
I believe the amount of vaccinated people to do so is extremely minimal. In my country we have about 98% of our people vaccinated and we have no serious outbreaks of measles or anything in such a scale as there is in US.
Last year there was 9 people who got measles in my country , unvaccinated kid got measles from another country all of those 9 patients had either no vaccines against measles or had only one shot ( vaccine program gives two ) and all these people got this from this unvaccinated kid. No one who had been vaccinated got that.
This is not US we still mostly eat healthy home cooked meals and lots of fresh vegetables and not a trash food like ppl do in US. I have lived in US so i basicly know what kind of crap you have on your dinner plates. If you have that size of outbreaks of measles as i linked before there must be something seriously wrong in your vaccination programs. maybe you should eat healthier too.
Originally posted by bluesman462002
reply to post by thebtheb
I Stopped Taking flu vaccine 10 + years ago had the flu every time i was vaccinated.
Guess What? I havent Had The Flu Since i Stopped.
Originally posted by mikellmikell
Last friday my 81 year old mother got her flu shot. last night she went to the hospital with penuma in both lungs.