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Originally posted by eveshi
I noticed that Dr. Sam Parnia's name has been dropped by NDE believers and to prove that I am not all "bad guy", I have bad news to report. Bad for proponents anyway.
Dr. Parnia's NDE research is a highly well hidden skeptics dream-soon-to-come-through and here is why.
Parnia's methodologies are purposefully and fatally flawed to skew the outcome to the NDE=brain function POV. He is relying on placing signs on out-of-normal-sight places inside operating rooms in the hope, and hope it is, that these signs will be seen by NDErs. This presupposes that NDErs will see the signs. Why in the world should they? Do you think sign reading will be important to a NDEr?
Mark this down. Parnia is playing quite a game and proponents, when he releases next summer, will be shocked, startled and permanently smacked down as Parnia will claim that NDErs did not see his signs. duh, ya' think?
You heard it here and if you wish to spread the word, please not it came for a great and proven skeptic.
Originally posted by chelle21689
There's an issue I see with that IMO. Just because they [Dr. Parnia and team]put some signs doesn't prove anything to me. How many times have I been at an area but don't notice a certain sign, photo, landmark, or billboard even lol. I feel like if you were out of your body you could be too focused on something to even care to look around. Some people look around but it doesn't mean they'll see it. I've heard of this before.
“And so if we get say 500 people who all supposedly die and come back and all that sort of stuff, and they call claim they saw Dr. Smith and they have all these incredible stories and they can describe what was happening, and we can demonstrate that it was happening when they’re going through cardiac arrest and the brain is shut down, then supposedly, if they really are out of body, they should see that picture".
All I can say is what I have observed from my work. It seems that when consciousness shuts down in death, psyche, or soul – by which I don't mean ghosts, I mean your individual self – persists for a least those hours before you are resuscitated. From which we might justifiably begin to conclude that the brain is acting as an intermediary to manifest your idea of soul or self but it may not be the source or originator of it… I think that the evidence is beginning to suggest that we should keep open our minds to the possibility that memory, while obviously a scientific entity of some kind – I'm not saying it is magic or anything like that – is not neuronal."
Originally posted by moniesisfun
Really though, it's because it's just a funky brain experience. I think it does serve a purpose. It creates an illusion of a greater reality...those who "come back" can help us to be more at ease with existence, and our inevitable demise. The groups who had these experiences could cope better, and be more resilient to stress...giving them an evolutionary advantage.
Originally posted by TheLaughingGod
This is like asking: "Why do some people get cancer?"
Why do certain things happen to certain people? Random chance, destiny, pre-birth planning take your pick..
Originally posted by Xaphan
Originally posted by Cyprex
I saw a documentary on this a few years back, here is one source.
It is believed that a massive release of '___' from the pineal gland prior to death or near-death is the cause of the near-death experience phenomenon.
There is no hard scientific evidence that '___' is released upon death, nor is there any evidence that '___' is even produced in the pineal gland. So far it's just a hypothesis.
But anyways if they aren't actors and this is all real, then why doesn't everyone experience a NDE?
If I ever come close I would hope to experience this and come back to tell my story so I no longer fear death. It seems all that have experienced this no longer fear.
Originally posted by chelle21689
Just curious for your explanation. I don't know if you watched the video or not...but if it is a hallucination how was Pam able to describe the details of how the odd surgical tools looked without it ever being out of its package, her eyes taped shut, and the ticking things in her ear? How was she able to recall the conversation and them moving down to cut her leg in detail as if she were awake when she was knocked out? Surely she couldn't have felt it if she was numb and like I said unconscious?