Paranormal Witness on SyFy: Travis Walton case

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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by thedoctorswife
Some people say that Travis was a faker because he had a massive interest in sci-fi and ufos etc. Well I love the aforementioned topics and i dont pretend to have weird blokes in my bedroom at night


A big question for me is, if he was faking why did his buddies go along with it.? I mean, it doesnt matter how good a friend someone was to me, and i loved them dearly, i would not feed their fantasy, and certainly wouldnt put myself up for the obvious ridicule that was to come.


I think what Travis tells is very true.... However his buddies could have busted him in the head and caused traumatic brain injury, thus Travis believing the experience that he had! His buddies may have left him for dead "who knows".. it's just a theory that's out there, after all Travis was reading UFO materials, and just like dreams.... brain injuries can relate to false events etc. and seem very real... this event maybe related to reading per say a UFO magazine and a head injury.
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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by imitator

Originally posted by thedoctorswife
Some people say that Travis was a faker because he had a massive interest in sci-fi and ufos etc. Well I love the aforementioned topics and i dont pretend to have weird blokes in my bedroom at night


A big question for me is, if he was faking why did his buddies go along with it.? I mean, it doesnt matter how good a friend someone was to me, and i loved them dearly, i would not feed their fantasy, and certainly wouldnt put myself up for the obvious ridicule that was to come.


I think what Travis tells is very true.... However his buddies could have busted him in the head and caused traumatic brain injury, thus Travis believing the experience that he had! His buddies may have left him for dead "who knows".. it's just a theory that's out there, after all Travis was reading UFO materials, and just like dreams.... brain injuries can relate to false events etc..
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Maybe your more au fait with the details than i am, but why would his friends bust him over his head, ive seen it mentioned earlier that Travis had employment issues with regard to his contract, b;ut why would they do that?



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by imitator

Originally posted by thedoctorswife
Some people say that Travis was a faker because he had a massive interest in sci-fi and ufos etc. Well I love the aforementioned topics and i dont pretend to have weird blokes in my bedroom at night


A big question for me is, if he was faking why did his buddies go along with it.? I mean, it doesnt matter how good a friend someone was to me, and i loved them dearly, i would not feed their fantasy, and certainly wouldnt put myself up for the obvious ridicule that was to come.


I think what Travis tells is very true.... However his buddies could have busted him in the head and caused traumatic brain injury, thus Travis believing the experience that he had! His buddies may have left him for dead "who knows".. it's just a theory that's out there, after all Travis was reading UFO materials, and just like dreams.... brain injuries can relate to false events etc. and seem very real... but actually maybe related to reading per say a UFO magazine!
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Your theory, or whomever's theory, has a major, major hole.

Five of them took lie detector tests and passed. Also, ask yourself, why would they inflict this sort of punishment on themselves, in the name of a practical joke. Makes no sense.

This really happened. I believe that Travis visited an otherworldly craft. Amazing story. I challenge anyone to truly debunk Travis' story, and that of his fellow loggers.
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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by thedoctorswife

Maybe your more au fait with the details than i am, but why would his friends bust him over his head, ive seen it mentioned earlier that Travis had employment issues with regard to his contract, b;ut why would they do that?


Only his buddies might know, it could of been an accident... maybe they thought they killed Travis by accident and left him for dead?
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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by imitator

Originally posted by thedoctorswife

Maybe your more au fait with the details than i am, but why would his friends bust him over his head, ive seen it mentioned earlier that Travis had employment issues with regard to his contract, b;ut why would they do that?


Only his buddies might know, it could of been an accident... maybe they thought they killed Travis by accident and left him for dead?
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Mmnn, you think these are the sort of men that would leave him for dead? they were tough no nonsense hard working guys, personally i dont see them running away from their responsibilities, that is the feeling i have about them anyway.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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I think I know what happened, I watched both UFO Chasers and Paranormal witness last night, that's why the log part wasn't seen by the poster (OkieDokie) that did not see it.
This thread is about the Paranormal Witness, and I referred to UFO Chasers.
My mistake, I can only be perfect 98.274% of the time.
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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by thedoctorswife

Mmnn, you think these are the sort of men that would leave him for dead? they were tough no nonsense hard working guys, personally i dont see them running away from their responsibilities, that is the feeling i have about them anyway.


I think it's very plausible Travis suffered from a head trauma event, but to what caused it we will never know! I'm open to possible scenarios, I prefer Travis story too.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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Well, one thing's for sure. We just don't get cases like this anymore. We really haven't had a good, high-profile abduction case with an interesting story about creepy aliens for at least 20 years. Yeah, you get the occasional individual who gets spirited out of their bed at night and has a crazy story to tell, but nothing so public or detailed or newsworthy involving multiple people.

I guess the aliens found out everything they needed to know from us and haven't really been bothering us much since.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by thedoctorswife

Originally posted by imitator

Originally posted by thedoctorswife

Maybe your more au fait with the details than i am, but why would his friends bust him over his head, ive seen it mentioned earlier that Travis had employment issues with regard to his contract, b;ut why would they do that?


Only his buddies might know, it could of been an accident... maybe they thought they killed Travis by accident and left him for dead?
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Mmnn, you think these are the sort of men that would leave him for dead? they were tough no nonsense hard working guys, personally i dont see them running away from their responsibilities, that is the feeling i have about them anyway.



Maybe we have all see these sorts of lame tales. Hit over the head and dreamed of UFOs.....stuff traped in his mind from UFO mags indeed? Why didnt he see playboy bunnies, mother goose and Santa? If someone hit you over the head would you see red dragons? Maybe Glyndwr riding through the glenn? Noswiath daa! Yes! The Lady in the Lake!
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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by thedoctorswife

Originally posted by imitator

Originally posted by thedoctorswife

Maybe your more au fait with the details than i am, but why would his friends bust him over his head, ive seen it mentioned earlier that Travis had employment issues with regard to his contract, b;ut why would they do that?


Only his buddies might know, it could of been an accident... maybe they thought they killed Travis by accident and left him for dead?
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Mmnn, you think these are the sort of men that would leave him for dead? they were tough no nonsense hard working guys, personally i dont see them running away from their responsibilities, that is the feeling i have about them anyway.



Maybe we have all see these sorts of lame tales. Hit over the head and dreamed of UFOs.....stuff traped in his mind from UFO mags indeed? Why didnt he see playboy bunnies, mother goose and Santa? If someone hit you over the head would you see red dragons? Maybe Glyndwr riding through the glenn? Noswiath daa! Yes! The Lady in the Lake!
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Yes, maybe we could imagine all sorts of things with head trauma.

However, what we can't imagine is 5 witnesses observing you being zapped by a UFO, and all passing polygraph tests about the sighting.

Why try to imagine this didn't happen? Does it make you feel better somehow? Follow the facts. The facts clearly show that Travis had an out-of-this-world experience.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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I think what Travis tells is very true.... However his buddies could have busted him in the head and caused traumatic brain injury, thus Travis believing the experience that he had! His buddies may have left him for dead "who knows".. it's just a theory that's out there, after all Travis was reading UFO materials, and just like dreams.... brain injuries can relate to false events etc. and seem very real... this event maybe related to reading per say a UFO magazine and a head injury.


He was taken to a hospital in phoenix, the doctors could find no injuries to Walton besides what appeared to be a hole in his arm from what appeared as a intervenous injection wound. He would have had a hell of a lump on his head or a laceration from a pipe or blunt instrument. There was no head trauma and no drugs found in his system.

During the 1970's and that era UFO's were a popular subjects plus a spike in sightings, it was not uncommon for people to be interested in the topic. Thats probably why he got out of the truck due to his personal fascination. If i was him i might do the same thing even though it may be a bad idea. I want to know! By singling him out and to imply he had imagined this is unfair. His buddies were looking at serious charges but stuck to the story. Usually when a crime is committed accomplices will fold under pressure. They will flip flop by testimony there is some differences in each suspects story when lying. This was an entire logging crew. If one of them was to attack Walton and such that would be one thing but for the entire crew to conspire to such criminal mischief is highly improbable.

Another interesting thing to note was the mysterious men with geiger counters on the scene during the search the next day. Nobody knows who they were, nobody came foreward ?


I always thought there was a eerie similarity between Travis Walton's incident and the Allagash 5 incident mind you 2 years after Waltons abduction.




Aliens in dem woods
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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Polygraph Reliability 'Little Better Than Chance' Operators Can Easily Affect Results

Polygraphs Are Not Reliable in Detecting Lies



American Psychological Association
The Truth About Lie Detectors (aka Polygraph Tests)




Most psychologists agree that there is little evidence that polygraph tests can accurately detect lies.



The fact that a lot of you just push aside the fact he was a science fiction buff..is just laughable. This is an obviously BS story..he even included a light speed jump exactly like star wars, which seems to be a new aspect to the story..as it was never mentioned before....most likely made up for the show.

Where are people getting these greys from...he has described these so called aliens..and has never mentioned them being grey aliens with big black eyes.

Too many holes in his story..the other guys I am not sure...but he is full of crap.

Travis Walton wiki


"Based on his reaction on all charts, it is the opinion of this examiner that Walton, in concert with others, is attempting to perpetrate a UFO hoax, and that he has not been on any spacecraft"

John J McCarthy, of the Arizona Polygraph Laboratory



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Blue Shift
Well, one thing's for sure. We just don't get cases like this anymore. We really haven't had a good, high-profile abduction case with an interesting story about creepy aliens for at least 20 years. Yeah, you get the occasional individual who gets spirited out of their bed at night and has a crazy story to tell, but nothing so public or detailed or newsworthy involving multiple people.

I guess the aliens found out everything they needed to know from us and haven't really been bothering us much since.


I think there is a reasonable amount of evidence to show there was a program taking place from the early 60's to the late 80's. In theory a hybridization program if you have followed Jacobs material his take on it well It's rather grim, that humans are being slowly phased out with the alien gene but you would never recognize them. I see more cases of contact and some quite bizarre stories take your pick these days. There are still people claiming to experience these medical examinations but not like before. It could still be happening and these beings learned to get better at wiping memories and install a more advanced format of memory blocking ?



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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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Where are people getting these greys from...he has described these so called aliens..and has never mentioned them being grey aliens with big black eyes.


He described them as the typical greys but with large eyes with pupils.
www.youtube.com...

Many abductees have said they sometimes wear a black film over the eye for whatever reason. Like sunglasses? Or perhaps not the same species. These beings were described in ancient cultures like the Hopi calling them "the ant people" for one. These beings are not as new as some people think.



Too many holes in his story..the other guys I am not sure...but he is full of crap.


What are the holes? Can you prove he is full of crap? I implore you to try.


The fact that a lot of you just push aside the fact he was a science fiction buff..is just laughable.

Science fiction is a popular theme. It's part of American culture and other countries as well. It's on TV every day. It's the summer blockbuster. What is laughable? As i mentioned earlier he approached the craft instead of the others most likely due to his interest. Is it not unlikely this is why? We are all influenced by sci-fi to some degree. Your point is moot.



This is an obviously BS story..he even included a light speed jump exactly like star wars, which seems to be a new aspect to the story..as it was never mentioned before....most likely made up for the show.



In his original publication he mentions the stars moving when he puts his hand on the lever it's not new. Mind you years before Star Wars came out in 1977.



Trembling, I sat down on the hard surface of the chair. I put my hand onto the molded T-grip of the lever. The handle was slightly small for my hand. The whole chair seemed a little too small. I rotated the handle of the lever forward, feeling the slow, fluid resistance of it. I felt suddenly disoriented as the stars began moving downward in front of me, in unison. Quickly I pulled my hand off the lever, which returned to its original vertical position. The stars stopped moving, but remained where they were when I released the lever.

www.travis-walton.com...

As far as John J McCarthy, of the Arizona Polygraph Laboratory how about he take a Polygraph test and be asked if he believes in the possibility of Alien visitation. Im pretty sure it would be an affirmative NO.


Can you debunk Travis Walton? I bet you cant. I dare you to try, I double dog dare ya
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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 09:58 PM
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Fire in the Sky: A Real UFO Abduction?



there is a gaping lack of evidence. There were no injuries to Travis' shoulder from his violent throw in the blue light beam, there were no disturbances to the pine needles on the forest floor where it all happened, and the medical exams revealed nothing to indicate any trauma or malnutrition from his missing five days. Travis and his crew have had to rely only on polygraph tests, and then only on the cherrypicked positive results, ignoring the negative results. There is just as much polygraph evidence against the Walton case as there is supporting it. This self-contradictory nature is the reason why polygraph evidence is not legally admissible in court: Speaking strictly scientifically, it doesn't tell us anything


Close Encounters of the Nonexistent Kind




Travis Walton returned, he would only talk to people who believed in UFOs and paid him. You know who fit that bill perfectly? The National Enquirer, which had a $100,000 reward for anyone who could prove aliens existed


THE WORLDS MOST FAMOUS ALIEN ABDUCTION CASE OR WAS IT THE WORLDS MOST FAMOUS LIE?



1. Walton never boarded the UFO. This fact is supported by the six witnesses and the polygraph test results. [3]
2. The entire Walton family has had a continual UFO history. The Walton boys have reported observing 10 to 15 separate UFO sightings (very high).
3. When Duane was questioned about his brother's disappearance, he stated that "Travis will be found, that UFO's are friendly." GSW countered, "How do you know Travis will be found?" Duane said "I have a feeling, a strong feeling." GSW asked "If the UFO 'captors' are going to return Travis, will you have a camera to record this great occurrence?" Duane, "No, if I have a camera 'they' will not return."
4. The Walton's mother showed no outward emotion over the 'loss' of Travis. She said that UFO's will not harm her son, he will be returned and that UFO's have been seen by her family many times.
5. The Walton's refused any outside scientific help or anyone who logically doubted the abduction portion of the story.
6. The media and GSW was fair to the witnesses. However, when the story started to 'fall apart' the Waltons would only talk to people who did not doubt the abduction story.
7. APRO became involved and criticized both GSW and Dr. Hynek for taking a negative position on the encounter.
8. The Waltons 'sold' their story to the National Enquirer and the story was completely twisted from the truth. RS NOTES:
1. In other words, James Harder was using hypnosis to lead Travis Walton into "remembering" a proper UFO abduction story. UFOlogists cite the apparent consistencies of these stories as proof that they are supposedly authentic! But here we glimpse the real reason behind the apparent similarities.
2. The very existence of this polygraph session with John J. McCarthy was kept secret by the National Enquirer and by APRO, with McCarthy ordered never to speak about it. The cover-up was revealed by Philip J. Klass in June, 1976. The details of the Walton hoax, and its associated cover-up, can be found in chapters 18-23 of Klass' book _UFOs The Public Deceived_ (Buffalo, NY: Prometheus Books, 1983).
3. Apparently GSW thought that in order to have a "genuine" UFO abduction, the UFO would have to land, and pick up its passenger.
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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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You just posted blogs from a skeptics opinions and interpretations of what they think or should i say like to think happened. I expect more prosaic explanations from critical thinkers.If it was that cut and dry this would have faded in to obscurity decades ago. None of this debunks or disproves Walton and his crews claims. You can just as easily go around calling BS on rape victims and that does not mean you are right. The fact is the case has yet to be explained away in a logical manner. The proof is in the pudding. It simply comes down either you believe it or you don't. I am a good judge of character I have a knack for spotting a liar I trust my gut before a polygraph. And these men did experience what they did in their humility imo.

Walton does not care if people believe him. He has never forced his story on to people he was practically mobbed by the press. I have had my fill of charlatans and hoaxers in this subject he does not meet the criteria.


As far as what these beings are nobody knows for certain.


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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 10:22 PM
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I caught that ep. of Paranormal Witness "Abduction" and thought it was kick ass! It was cool they had the other witnesses on too. I believe them all. I must've got the chills a dozen times watching that show.

I wonder, were those humans in the UFO clones or real humans? If they were real humans, does that mean the U.S. military is working with the aliens all these years learning their technology?

Definitely the BEST alien abduction case I've heard.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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Prior to the Walton incident (Over 25 years back) there were many reports of UFO and paranormal happenings in Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest. The Walton case only became high profile because of media attention.

On a rather interesting side note, the higher the elevation of particular areas tends to be a higher concentration of paranormal experiences tend to occur.

While also on the North side of the Apache Forest is a Reservation where there are more than a few petroglyphs that can be found littering the ground, encased in stone/slate?

They depict intrigueing hand drawn images of creatures and other strange archaic images.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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Originally posted by DarthFazer
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You just posted blogs from a skeptics opinions and interpretations of what they think or should i say like to think happened. I expect more prosaic explanations from critical thinkers.If it was that cut and dry this would have faded in to obscurity decades ago.


Wait a minute..
..so when people post evidence for this from UFO believer sites...it is OK but when you provide information that might refute it by other sites than it becomes a no no?


The instant he sold his story...that was enough for me to call BS. The instant it became clear he and his family were UFO buffs..than it screamed louder BS.

Also about the light speed jump aspect of the story...please find it somewhere else other the Travis Walton website.



So much more. holes yet few answers.

No more from me...I am not trying to make your blind belief change..I just wanted to show the other side of this "story" to those without tunnel vision concerning this.
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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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He was taken to a hospital in phoenix, the doctors could find no injuries to Walton besides what appeared to be a hole in his arm from what appeared as a intervenous injection wound. He would have had a hell of a lump on his head or a laceration from a pipe or blunt instrument. There was no head trauma and no drugs found in his system.


Your not convincing me.... concussions and brain injuries can show no signs of lumps, bumps or lacerations. I let you familiar with some of those types:

Concussion: can be a violent shaking of the brain caused by a jolt or blow to the head. Football players usually pass physical exams even though they show no signs of any blows to the head. I myself have experience this one!

closed head injuries: there is little noticeable damage to the head, for example from whiplash etc.

Acquired brain injury: brain cells deprived of oxygen, example: near drowning or carbon monoxide poisoning.



This was an entire logging crew. If one of them was to attack Walton and such that would be one thing but for the entire crew to conspire to such criminal mischief is highly improbable.


Again your not convincing me.....
I guess you never heard of the mafia code of silence known as omerta? Whereas the Mafia code of conduct involves lawbreakers protecting each other, as the same with competent people who for example: good cops defending bad cops!


Another interesting thing to note was the mysterious men with geiger counters on the scene during the search the next day. Nobody knows who they were, nobody came foreward ?


Probably UFO nuts, you see them pop up all the time after UFO's are reported in locations, like crop circles ect... using geiger counters and metal detectors!


Trembling, I sat down on the hard surface of the chair. I put my hand onto the molded T-grip of the lever. The handle was slightly small for my hand. The whole chair seemed a little too small. I rotated the handle of the lever forward, feeling the slow, fluid resistance of it. I felt suddenly disoriented as the stars began moving downward in front of me, in unison. Quickly I pulled my hand off the lever, which returned to its original vertical position. The stars stopped moving, but remained where they were when I released the lever.


There is a good reason that they animate cartoon characters when they get hit on the head and start to see stars. So here Travis is seeing stars" and feeling dazed, dizzy, or lightheaded; memory disruption.... sounds like a head injury!!!


And that's my 2¢ cents!





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