Crystal Battery, Next generation kind of battery?

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posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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As I was reading some books on electronics and what not, I came across something I found in previous books.

It was the type of batteries: Primary and Secondary batteries.

Primary is just a battery in a laptop, solid state, Li-ion and they such. Break it, and it'll blow. Disposable.

Secondary is the car battery with a lead-acid solution inside it. Rechargeable as long as it has that solution (Could say another name for doing that but I forgot it)

Then something occurred to me, "What about a battery that is like that? Light, easy to carry around and has a really good charge?"

Then I learned something interesting that I never thought about. What is a crystal? To focus on a quartz crystal, it's a vast network of parallel plate condensers with a high amount of capacity. So imagine a battery, and what if that battery can hold over 200,000 volts. Today's batteries would go BOOM when they get that stuffed into them.

So far that I have learned is that a crystal of a Cubic foot (For those that don't know what a cubic foot is, it's 1X1X1 feet. or just imagine a cube or a Rubik Cube.) is able to hold 4 X 10^7 Farads. To be put in simpler terms, it's 40 Mega Farads.

What is a Farad? It is the capacitance of one Coulomb of electricty contained in a capacitor with only one volt of potential between the plates.

So times that by 40 million and you can have free energy on demand. Boom goes the Quartz business.

How much free energy? Around 100-Amperes continuously for the next 10-years.

One of the many solutions to solve the so called "Energy Crisis."

Thank you for reading this.

And in advance, sorry I didn't provide photos of the crystal in action.




posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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Even if this did work,I don't see how its free energy.

Even you yourself said you need to charge it first.



posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 10:57 PM
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there must be a way to get free energy.

how about compressed air.

a vehicle that is propelled by compressed air, which in turns sucks up air into a pump that compresses it using the forward motion and gears to power the movements of the pump.

or an advanced steam engine, which uses water.

if it can power a 10,000 ton train, i'm sure is can power 3,000 pound car.

a hybrid electric, solar steam car.

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posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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A piece of quartz is more like a capacitor or possibly can keep the frequency stabilized. I can't remember the frequency it tends to vibrate at off hand. Crystals store and release energy, a crystal hammer can direct the energy of a blow better than a metal one so technically it is better for chopping wood. The technology that is evolving will blow peoples minds. They will have metal objects that you can see through like a cloudy window soon.



posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 11:06 PM
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Perpetual Motion laws say it can't happen. Just won't and can't. Ever. Eventually even one that does will begin to cross a threshold of diminished returns, or so I've been told, and after that tipping point on power ratio is crossed, it collapses real quick.

I had a ton of time put into a concept I'm still sure would work..if not for that law of nature. It had to do with regenerative electrical power on a vehicle, in excess of what it took to propel it and through multiple independent battery banks to prevent that bleed over or bleed off..or whatever the brains have tried patiently to explain must, will and always has happened to such things. Hey, if you find one that works, tell me...I'll go build my idea.



posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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how about this.

you get a car and you strip it. make it as light as you can. you just keep the four wheels.

then you attach a horse to it. maybe two if you want to go faster.

then you use reigns to steer.

its not as fast as a car, but the maintenance is cheap, and the horses can feed on grass.

the energy is free. the horses do all the work.

anything we do has to be modelled on nature. we extract energy from relatively little food.

i think magnets, super conductors and specially built frictionless roads to drive on is the future.

nuclear energy can supply the power cheaply, magnets provide lift and super conductors provide a resistance free transfer of energy so it'll be nearly 100% efficient, keeping costs to pennies on the mile.
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posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 11:17 PM
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Originally posted by randomname
how about this.

you get a car and you strip it. make it as light as you can. you just keep the four wheels.

then you attach a horse to it. maybe two if you want to go faster.

then you use reigns to steer.

its not as fast as a car, but the maintenance is cheap, and the horses can feed on grass.

the energy is free. the horses to all the work.
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Once you factor in caring for and feeding horses, free is not the word I would use.
But keep trying. IF it can happen someone will figure it out.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 05:07 AM
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Magnets.

Proof of concept:



I see no issue.




posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by FreedomCommander
What is a Farad? It is the capacitance of one Coulomb of electricty contained in a capacitor with only one volt of potential between the plates.

So times that by 40 million and you can have free energy on demand. Boom goes the Quartz business.
You are talking about capacitors. Here is a real capacitor bank:

Railgun


On January 31, 2008 the US Navy tested a railgun that fired a shell at 10.64 MJ with a muzzle velocity of 2,520 m/s.

The power was provided by a new 9-megajoule (MJ) prototype capacitor bank using solid-state switches and high-energy-density capacitors delivered in 2007 and an older 32-MJ pulse power system from the US Army’s Green Farm Electric Gun Research and Development Facility


nextbigfuture.com...



Rail gun capacitor banks constructed at a General Atomics facility in San Diego
If you show those guys how to replace those huge capacitor banks with some quartz crystals, you'll be their hero.

However since you provided no links to any sources about high capacity quartz capacitors, I suspect you won't be their hero after all, and they'll keep using the huge capacitor that really works. Am I right?
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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 10:03 PM
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Yes, it needs a charge, but that charge can out last any battery on the market.

If you can charge it in a second, you can dump it in a second. But that is if your using something that will be destructive. But if it has a fast recharge rate, then once disconnected, it can be used on let's say a town.

So to focus on the small things, if a laptop was to have a Rectangular shaped quartz crystal, and going off this equation with it equaling a cubic foot:

C=AKe/d

C is the capacitance measured in Farads, A is the area in square meters, K is the dielectric constant between the plate, e= 8.85 X 10^-12 coul^2/Nm^2, d is the distance between plates.

The variables are A = 2.25 X 10^8, K=1, and d= 10^-10

(((2.25 X 10^8)(8.85 X 10^-12)/10^-10) X 2= ~40 MF. For a laptop that can last a long time, most likely beat the laptop in a durability race.

And there is another thing I forgot to mention to all, once charged, the crystal will have it's own cooling system.

Cool to the touch, but don't put it into a swimming pool. Will freeze it.

So for a laptop, you can overclock it all you want, and all the components will be safe as long as that crystal remains charged.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 10:10 PM
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I'm not one to support destruction of the planet. To me, I'll never be a hero to murders.

The quartz crystal is equally devastating as it is constructing and energy-saving. Get a certain sound frequency and it will heat up. Shine a light though that heated crystal, and that light will become a laser. Don't know if you could create a light saber out of that one.

As well, with this railgun, why build it? So you can be the man with bigger stick? What is it's purpose besides destructive means?

What this thread is here for is to promote the idea that free energy is out there, and if your tied down by laws, then your only limited to those laws.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 10:19 PM
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If your talking about compressed air, you should be more worried about finding it.

There was an account in which time was put in to make a fuel-less air engine. The compressed air read at 2 KiloPSIs to a piston chamber. at the top of the engine is a valve operated by a cam to inject a burst of compressed air to drive the piston.

After a little while, something strange happened. The valve can be lifted and the engine will still run despite the fact that full preasure, 2,000 psi is being applied to the piston chamber at all times. How is that possible? Violates all rules of mechanics and the conservation of energy.

But that is not the only thing that happened, it was done to a two-stroke lawn mower. The account goes that once the air was turned on, there was a pink haze then all that could be seen was the piston and the rest of the engine of invisible. The flywheel of the lawn mower had magnets on it.

Evidence of the Searl effect.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 10:41 PM
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there must be a way to get free energy.


Aside from some blatant errors on you knowledge of physics, the reality of the nonexistence of free energy should be obvious to a 4 years old. All devices have a cost, even if it is a production cost, free energy does not equal cheap energy, even if some will use it in that way it is just an erosion of the meaning of words, a spin to illude the idiots.

Free means no cost, nothing is ever free, not even liberty or the air you breathe.

I'm all for new physic's and fringe science, but please end this type of deception, there will be a cheap source of energy that trumps oil. Consider also that monetary devaluation, cost of access to new reserves, increased demand, among many other factors all work to bring oil price up. This in turn is exponentiated by new technologies and economy of scale in the production of new energy capturing methods. So there is a guarantee that at some point in time there will be a cheaper energy source.

Historically human civilization has been evolving from burning wood, to coal to oil as the cheapest (extraction and use) energy reserve by mass. Even nuclear energy has higher costs than oil today, maybe we manage to get thorium going or fusion but for now we are in a bind, at that is the reason we have wars...

In the near future I place my bet in genetically modified bacteria that can produce biomass into combustible, but even then the cost will be higher than the oil we can access today.

The never will be a free lunch...




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posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by FreedomCommander
 

Even if this did work,I don't see how its free energy.

Even you yourself said you need to charge it first.


I'd settle for "slightly" non-free energy. Wouldn't you? But yes, it won't happen. Talk about job cutting!



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 09:12 AM
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Nope, it could create a job. Someone to maintain the charge, charge the crystal, and then distribute the source. tell the people what is it for and what to use it for only.

So job cutting, no. Plus what jobs would it cut?



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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There was a type of bio-catalyst that had a green color. Once applied to water, the water will be able to burn. The secret was kept hidden and the man was afraid of telling the formula, so I don't know the name of it other than it's effects, the color, and it's state.



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by FreedomCommander
What this thread is here for is to promote the idea that free energy is out there, and if your tied down by laws, then your only limited to those laws.
If you're not tied down by laws, I'd be pleased to discuss gravity with you while you're just off the balcony of the observation level of the empire state building! (just kidding, or only half-serious).


If you've got proof the existing laws don't apply somewhere, or proof of new laws then let's see it. If not, talk about laws not applying sounds like a dream. In my dreams I can fly, but in the real world I can't.

And even if you don't want to make a railgun (and I didn't really expect that you would), I think you missed the point of that post, which is that there are real capacitors with large capacity, and you've failed to show any evidence of a real quartz capacitor with a large capacity as you claim.



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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OMG another thread where you have armchair scientists touting the very false and unscientific absolutes of the Laws of Physics. You people obviously don't understand that a scientific definition of a Law is simply a generalization that is not meant to convey facts that are absolute, unchanging or set in stone. You act as if the Laws of Physics cannot be broken - science doesn't tell us this. You cannot state to the Op or anyone else in this thread that his ideas are impossible based in the Laws of Physics - that's unscientific. We simply do not know enough about the state of mater, electricity or even thermodynamics to make such claims.

ncse.com... - Definitions of Fact, Theory, and Law in Scientific Work

People, if anyone on ATS tells you something is impossible because your ideas might violate the Laws of Physics, write him down as a pseudo-scientists because they have no clue what they are talking about. You may not be able to prove your ideas, but these arm chair scientists cannot prove theirs either- by scientific definition they are using bad science. They have made science their religion. Ignore these fools and keep trudging ahead for truth.

Scientists like to talk out of both sides of their arses. On one hand they tell you that that's how science works, that with new information theories can change, it's progress - then they tell you, No wait, you can't propose that, It will violate a Law ! Silly isn't it?
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posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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It would be interesting to get the name of the inventor or the product. I had never heard of it...



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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The only closest I can get you is Baron Karl Von Riechenbach. he's the one that hinted at it. After that, I'm still search for who found it.

Saying that ancient people and UFO builder (As well as some German scientist from WW2 age) is not enough. I need to go back even farther.





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