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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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But my biggest concerns...are domestic policy.

The continuation of The Patriot Act...we all know what that did.

HR347 that basically means you can be arrested anytime, anywhere for peaceful protesting...all is needed for someone under the protection of the secret service to be somewhere close...like anyone is ever going to know that...plus several other circumstances.

NDAA which allows an American citizen to be detained indefinitely without due process.

I know this was just the first debate...but I am still sorely disappointed and concerned. These three and many others need to go but the problem is, both of these turds agree with them.

Is is funny though, the first debate and because [snipped] did well, his [snipped] are declaring the election victory...Obama's fans are making excuses...pretty funny and sad at the same time. I'd say when the fact checkers are done with both of them...





I'm more concerned with all the things they agreed upon. If that doesn't scare anyone, I'm not sure what to say. A lot of people on these boards talk about how they are not so different and the whole election is a scam by TPTB and we had it shown to us, right out of their mouths. Something to think about.



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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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I must disagree with you.

Number One: Watching and particpating in our democratic system---despite your concerns, is a must do. Why? Because what you focus on and pay attention to in this world matters.

Number Two: Because ignorance isn't bliss. It's stupdity. It doesn't help your life, or that of your children or thier children. You are a particpant in this earth's transgressions, whether you like it or not. You are here to make a difference, so make one.

Number three: Keep your enemies close. Even if you can't stand to look at Romeny or Obama, look at them anyway. Hear what they have to say. Otherwise, how will you know what you are arguing against?
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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 09:31 PM
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So far, the excuses I've heard for Obama's poor performance:

It was his anniversery. He was sad.

The altitude!

Sickle cell anemia. (really?)

Come on folks! Give it up! You either got the goods as prez...or ya don't.

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posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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We can talk about his poor performance until election day.

He'll still win.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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I believe that I have finally reached the point in this election farce, that I can truly sum up my thoughts in two words:

WHO CARES?

I hope the baseball playoffs drag on long enough for me to watch something other than two seasoned liars calling each other names, like two 10 year old boys on a playground. Sorry , that wasn't fair to the 10 year old boys.
They have more sense than the two idiots on TV making believe that they are different.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 09:37 PM
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Here is an edited video with all the ''UH'' coming from Obama.







posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 09:42 PM
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I would really prefer if it were to music....can someone work on that?




posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 09:50 PM
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Pick a donkey, any donkey, keep the facade of democracy alive folks



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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I see a thousand excuses on why Obama lost. From Michael Jordan to WWE to Colorado's Altitude to Start of WWIII. Enough already. Round 1 goes to Romney. End of Discussion.

I might add:

It's really funny and pathetic, that some bought into the MSM's hype of Obama in 2008 and now claim the debate had a conspiracy to it. The only conspiracy is the MSM overselling Obama to dummies.



posted on Oct, 4 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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it is funny because when i got to work today the romney guys were saying romney shut obama down and the obama guys were talking about how how obama shut romney down.

bloods vs crips

red vs blue

Hulk hogan vs andre the giant.

It is all a show and you people are eating it up

enjoy your wwf like entertainment.



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by votan
reply to post by MRuss
 


it is funny because when i got to work today the romney guys were saying romney shut obama down and the obama guys were talking about how how obama shut romney down.

bloods vs crips

red vs blue

Hulk hogan vs andre the giant.

It is all a show and you people are eating it up

enjoy your wwf like entertainment.


This is the kind of posting that I really just can't stand. Not only did you not contribute to the topic at hand, you offered some type of "all-knowing" knowledge about our political system. This is about THE DEBATE, not some half-baked sensationalist drivel about the left-right paradigm. Different things happen under different parties PERIOD. Do you think something like Obamacare would even be proposed if Mccain was elected? NO. Of course not. That's a difference of PARTIES!

I don't know why i'm citing this post in particular because it can all be summed up by something like this:

"not like it really matters because both sides are the same thing, all BS
"

Posts like this engulf 50% of this topic and it's all junk. We get it, you are so "over" the whole thing and being independent is like "so cool man, because I figured it all out." Please, if all the whiny Ron Paul/GaryJohnson suck-ups (cough cough basically all of ATS cough cough) would suck up their self-righteous fantasy-land goonery and go vote for Romney then we could at least get away from the government beast that is Obama. Seriously. Stop throwing away your votes, and stop whining, all that matters is the primary candidates. I know you don't like it that way, but that is all you have right now to save you, anything else is basically THROWING AWAY your vote.



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 12:35 AM
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Well said, LiberLegit....



Des



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by LiberLegit

Originally posted by votan
reply to post by MRuss
 


it is funny because when i got to work today the romney guys were saying romney shut obama down and the obama guys were talking about how how obama shut romney down.

bloods vs crips

red vs blue

Hulk hogan vs andre the giant.

It is all a show and you people are eating it up

enjoy your wwf like entertainment.


This is the kind of posting that I really just can't stand. Not only did you not contribute to the topic at hand, you offered some type of "all-knowing" knowledge about our political system. This is about THE DEBATE, not some half-baked sensationalist drivel about the left-right paradigm. Different things happen under different parties PERIOD. Do you think something like Obamacare would even be proposed if Mccain was elected? NO. Of course not. That's a difference of PARTIES!

I don't know why i'm citing this post in particular because it can all be summed up by something like this:

"not like it really matters because both sides are the same thing, all BS
"

Posts like this engulf 50% of this topic and it's all junk. We get it, you are so "over" the whole thing and being independent is like "so cool man, because I figured it all out." Please, if all the whiny Ron Paul/GaryJohnson suck-ups (cough cough basically all of ATS cough cough) would suck up their self-righteous fantasy-land goonery and go vote for Romney then we could at least get away from the government beast that is Obama. Seriously. Stop throwing away your votes, and stop whining, all that matters is the primary candidates. I know you don't like it that way, but that is all you have right now to save you, anything else is basically THROWING AWAY your vote.


So in essence, you like eating up the circus show and anybody that sees beyond the circus show is a 'Ron Paul/Gary Johnson suck up' interesting how your mentality works....very interesting.

The same could be said about your 'Anybody but Obama' drivel but I'll just say enjoy your enslavement to the left right paradigm.

& before you go on some sort of off-topic rampage, my post is just a response to your off-topic post.



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by LiberLegit

Originally posted by votan
reply to post by MRuss
 


it is funny because when i got to work today the romney guys were saying romney shut obama down and the obama guys were talking about how how obama shut romney down.

bloods vs crips

red vs blue

Hulk hogan vs andre the giant.

It is all a show and you people are eating it up

enjoy your wwf like entertainment.


This is the kind of posting that I really just can't stand. Not only did you not contribute to the topic at hand, you offered some type of "all-knowing" knowledge about our political system. This is about THE DEBATE, not some half-baked sensationalist drivel about the left-right paradigm. Different things happen under different parties PERIOD. Do you think something like Obamacare would even be proposed if Mccain was elected? NO. Of course not. That's a difference of PARTIES!

I don't know why i'm citing this post in particular because it can all be summed up by something like this:

"not like it really matters because both sides are the same thing, all BS
"

Posts like this engulf 50% of this topic and it's all junk. We get it, you are so "over" the whole thing and being independent is like "so cool man, because I figured it all out." Please, if all the whiny Ron Paul/GaryJohnson suck-ups (cough cough basically all of ATS cough cough) would suck up their self-righteous fantasy-land goonery and go vote for Romney then we could at least get away from the government beast that is Obama. Seriously. Stop throwing away your votes, and stop whining, all that matters is the primary candidates. I know you don't like it that way, but that is all you have right now to save you, anything else is basically THROWING AWAY your vote.



Romney is a government beast, that is the utter irony of this entire political theatre.

Romney is an East Coast Liberal elite who is also a corporatist.

How is that all of you have thrown on your blinders so???

Conservative and Republican is nothing more than a stamp and a designation in this climate.



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 01:58 AM
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I understand you want to sit back and defend your golden boy Ron Paul. He wants to go after the "evil banksters" and "audit the FED" I get it I get it. Good for you. But you have to realize when retreating and re-grouping is needed. Listen man, don't get the wrong impression. I was a Ron Paul fan, but he couldn't make it through the primaries. He did not make it to become the conservative parties primary candidate. This is undeniable. He was a conservative though, and if you AT LEAST want the power taken away from the other side which he disagrees with the vote should go to Romney. Any vote not for Romney, is basically free room for Obama to breath in the election.

Does Ron Paul sit back and say: "this left-right paradigm is a joke of system! Oh but wait, I'm in the Republican party...okay...well just forget that it doesn't mean anything!"

If there were really no difference between parties, nobody would care if Ron Paul, Obama, Al Gore, or Ralph Nader got elected...WHO CARES...it's "like totally all the same bro."



The same could be said about your 'Anybody but Obama' drivel but I'll just say enjoy your enslavement to the left right paradigm.


and here it is, the self-righteous "I've figured it all out" dirt that clogs up the politics on these boards. A dismissive retort with no factual information meant to demean the other person. Next thing I know you'll be calling me a "sheeple" because that is usually what follows up a snippy little "enjoy your X while I go and Y because i'm so much more intelligent and refined than you in my political views" comments. Give me a break.
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posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by LiberLegit
Please, if all the whiny Ron Paul/GaryJohnson suck-ups (cough cough basically all of ATS cough cough) would suck up their self-righteous fantasy-land goonery and go vote for Romney then we could at least get away from the government beast that is Obama. Seriously. Stop throwing away your votes, and stop whining, all that matters is the primary candidates. I know you don't like it that way, but that is all you have right now to save you, anything else is basically THROWING AWAY your vote.


It is the duty of intellectuals to keep this world from spinning into utter chaos. Your assertion of "Hey, get over it and vote for the guy I like" is, frankly, the stupidest thing I've yet to read on this board. Although I'm certain that various of this board's members would be all too happy to acquiesce to your well-intentioned request-- which is undoubtedly founded in limitless wisdom-- this member will neither do as you have asked, nor will he cease from pressuring the powers that be into allowing us, the people, more options.

Obama is indeed a monster. His penchant for drone-strikes of questionable legality, his continuous infringements upon the rights of American citizens and his continued support of Israel, despite their obnoxious saber-rattling, prove this easily enough. I once voted for the man, but have been tremendously disappointed with his performance. He's a war-monger.

Your buddy Romney is not a saint, however. His dubious business background, coupled with his reticence to release tax documents and the comments he makes "off the record" about a large percentage of Americans show him for the tool he really is. Further, he's a socially conservative Mormon-- the sort of person whose mind has been poisoned by religion. This fact alone is enough to keep me from voting for him.

And so here we have two inadequate candidates. One who has proven through his actions how inept he is and another who is chomping at the bit to do the same. I apologize if I've rambled somewhat in this post, so allow me to get straight to the point:

To criticize others for choosing to support a third-party candidate, calling it an exercise in futility, is the epitome of ignorance. In my own circles, I've been urged to vote for one candidate or the other: The lesser of two evils, etc. That's not good enough for me, however. Some of us aren't happy to simply yield to the bloated, untenable political machine that currently exists in our country like you are, and will stop at nothing to voice our support for what we consider a quality alternative. Some of us are willing to stand in the face of said machine and exercise those rights that are still available to us. While it's true that, in the current political climate, a third-party candidate stands little chance of winning over the brain-washed, ignorant masses, who can't help but to cling to the ideals of long-established (and long-corrupted) political parties, there are those of us who refuse to play the game and who "throw away our votes" in the interest of gaining traction for independent causes. You might say we’re playing the ‘long game’.

In a race where the only options are two "evils", the only conscionable thing to do is to seek out a better candidate. You can play the game, accepting it as the only path, and live with the consequences, or you can choose to exhibit some independence of mind and do what is truly right: Seek out a candidate who can truly look out for the best interests of the people. I don't know that such a candidate truly exists. But I'll continue supporting the independent cause in the hopes that one might eventually emerge. You can be certain that such a candidate will never come from either of the established political parties. They're simply too eroded by idiocy and greed.

If you can, in good conscience, support a candidate that threatens the very fabric of our society with policies that will probably embroil our troops in foreign wars and whose favorite hobby appears to be stripping citizens of their rights, then go right ahead and vote for an Obama or a Romney. Go ahead and play into the hands of the powers that be. Do not, however, criticize those who refuse to play the stupid game of American politics.
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posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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I find it mildely entertaining that people cannot distinguish libertarianism from conservatism. The first implies fiscal conservatism and social liberalism. The second implies all around conservative! Of course there are variations to both ideologies. Ron Paul was something between the two, while gary johnson seems a libertarian thoroughbreed.

Soon we might be hearing the democrats say don't vote for either the green or socialist parties because that will help the republicans win.

I am not here to lecture political science, but at the same time some things stick out. The two party monopoly has gone on for way too long and it is time to embrace diversity. You don't have to vote for independants because that is a bit silly, just examine what each party stands for and vote accordingly.

The media, big business, banks, the church, the super wealthy are all doing their outmost to perpetuate a broken system for as long as possible.



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by TheRedComet
It is the duty of intellectuals to keep this world from spinning into utter chaos. Your assertion of "Hey, get over it and vote for the guy I like" is, frankly, the stupidest thing I've yet to read on this board. Although I'm certain that various of this board's members would be all too happy to acquiesce to your well-intentioned request-- which is undoubtedly founded in limitless wisdom-- this member will neither do as you have asked, nor will he cease from pressuring the powers that be into allowing us, the people, more options.

Obama is indeed a monster. His penchant for drone-strikes of questionable legality, his continuous infringements upon the rights of American citizens and his continued support of Israel, despite their obnoxious saber-rattling, prove this easily enough. I once voted for the man, but have been tremendously disappointed with his performance. He's a war-monger.

Your buddy Romney is not a saint, however. His dubious business background, coupled with his reticence to release tax documents and the comments he makes "off the record" about a large percentage of Americans show him for the tool he really is. Further, he's a socially conservative Mormon-- the sort of person whose mind has been poisoned by religion. This fact alone is enough to keep me from voting for him.

To criticize others for choosing to support a third-party candidate, calling it an exercise in futility, is the epitome of ignorance. In my own circles, I've been urged to vote for one candidate or the other: The lesser of two evils, etc. That's not good enough for me, however. Some of us aren't happy to simply yield to the bloated, untenable political machine that currently exists in our country like you are, and will stop at nothing to voice our support for what we consider a quality alternative. Some of us are willing to stand in the face of said machine and exercise those rights that are still available to us. While it's true that, in the current political climate, a third-party candidate stands little chance of winning over the brain-washed, ignorant masses, who can't help but to cling to the ideals of long-established (and long-corrupted) political parties, there are those of us who refuse to play the game and who "throw away our votes" in the interest of gaining traction for independent causes. You might say we’re playing the ‘long game’.

In a race where the only options are two "evils", the only conscionable thing to do is to seek out a better candidate. You can play the game, accepting it as the only path, and live with the consequences, or you can choose to exhibit some independence of mind and do what is truly right: Seek out a candidate who can truly look out for the best interests of the people. I don't know that such a candidate truly exists. But I'll continue supporting the independent cause in the hopes that one might eventually emerge. You can be certain that such a candidate will never come from either of the established political parties. They're simply too eroded by idiocy and greed.

If you can, in good conscience, support a candidate that threatens the very fabric of our society with policies that will probably embroil our troops in foreign wars and whose favorite hobby appears to be stripping citizens of their rights, then go right ahead and vote for an Obama or a Romney. Go ahead and play into the hands of the powers that be. Do not, however, criticize those who refuse to play the stupid game of American politics.
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Nice post. I want to start off by saying that Romney was not my first choice. I wanted Ron Paul to win the primaries, but sadly he did not. If Ron Paul won the primaries we wouldn't even be having this argument, this whole board would probably just be singing campfire songs handing out free hugs to each other. You know it's kind of weird, I feel like Paul would attract not only all conservatives but a good percentage of independents and democrats. I guess the population wasn't smart enough to see the real path to freedom.

I get what you are doing, you're fighting for what's right. And I agree, that is what's right. But alternative candidates have zero chance because majority rules in this country. The majority isn't on board with what is right, but we can at least get Obama out of the white house instead of sitting around crying for attention for Ron Paul. At least get someone in the house who has a glimpse of reductionist government policy instead of fighting a pointless battles. 4 years from now you can all start fighting again, but accept it, it's to late now.

Are you an NWO person? You said "powers that be." I'm a little shaky when talking to the NWO crowd, they tend to only see one direction and dismiss others as "unintelligent" or "sheeple" without providing facts. You seem better than that though thankfully.



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 07:36 PM
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You quote intellectuals yet, no amount of brain "horsepower" can overcome bad data.(assuming it's actually an "error" rather than a guise labeled intellect). EG. Romney's tax record has been released and well within the accepted parameters.

An excellent IQ and education has the obligation to look at both sides and their data before opining.

Anything less is welll... stupid.



posted on Oct, 5 2012 @ 10:55 PM
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okay bud keep drinking the koolaide. as long as politicians are allowed to be bought keep believing your vote counts or anythign they say really counts.

If the "system" worked why do things get perpetually worse?? people used to care more in the past than they do now. I worked/volounteered during the last presidential election and was involved during the clintons. I have also been involved in local elections. it is all bs and garbage you still think it is exactly as it is portrayed to you.

Just look at how the electoral college works. I do not just spout what i say because I am a blow hard. You really need to wake up and smell the coffee and get off that kool aide. Grow up and join the adults. I do not have more knowledge or anything i just grew up.

Buy into all this bs. Look at how it is treated almost like a sporting event. if that does not ring any bells then there is no hope for you.

Mark my words, after this election is over you will notice nothing changes and they will still be taking us down the same road we have been on. Romney and obama will let you down because they do not work for YOU they work for those who line their pockets and who got them into office.



sitting around here dissecting all this crap is asinine. dissect debates as far back as you can go. Look at what was said and what was really done. Ron Paul called many things before they happpened based on what our government continues to do and guess what?? he is ignored. I do not even care if ron paul ever become president but just the fact that people are too dense to see what he brought to light came true and you still continue to egg on these clowns.

I know this is really rough language but it is idiocy

America deserves what it gets because it is full twits that keep eating this slop up. it is just a show for the kids.


And if you can't even see how the two parties are used to manipulate the people...i do not know what you say.... may God have mercy on your soul.

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