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Originally posted by votan
reply to post by MRuss
it is funny because when i got to work today the romney guys were saying romney shut obama down and the obama guys were talking about how how obama shut romney down.
bloods vs crips
red vs blue
Hulk hogan vs andre the giant.
It is all a show and you people are eating it up
enjoy your wwf like entertainment.
Originally posted by LiberLegit
Originally posted by votan
reply to post by MRuss
it is funny because when i got to work today the romney guys were saying romney shut obama down and the obama guys were talking about how how obama shut romney down.
bloods vs crips
red vs blue
Hulk hogan vs andre the giant.
It is all a show and you people are eating it up
enjoy your wwf like entertainment.
This is the kind of posting that I really just can't stand. Not only did you not contribute to the topic at hand, you offered some type of "all-knowing" knowledge about our political system. This is about THE DEBATE, not some half-baked sensationalist drivel about the left-right paradigm. Different things happen under different parties PERIOD. Do you think something like Obamacare would even be proposed if Mccain was elected? NO. Of course not. That's a difference of PARTIES!
I don't know why i'm citing this post in particular because it can all be summed up by something like this:
"not like it really matters because both sides are the same thing, all BS "
Posts like this engulf 50% of this topic and it's all junk. We get it, you are so "over" the whole thing and being independent is like "so cool man, because I figured it all out." Please, if all the whiny Ron Paul/GaryJohnson suck-ups (cough cough basically all of ATS cough cough) would suck up their self-righteous fantasy-land goonery and go vote for Romney then we could at least get away from the government beast that is Obama. Seriously. Stop throwing away your votes, and stop whining, all that matters is the primary candidates. I know you don't like it that way, but that is all you have right now to save you, anything else is basically THROWING AWAY your vote.
Originally posted by LiberLegit
Originally posted by votan
reply to post by MRuss
it is funny because when i got to work today the romney guys were saying romney shut obama down and the obama guys were talking about how how obama shut romney down.
bloods vs crips
red vs blue
Hulk hogan vs andre the giant.
It is all a show and you people are eating it up
enjoy your wwf like entertainment.
This is the kind of posting that I really just can't stand. Not only did you not contribute to the topic at hand, you offered some type of "all-knowing" knowledge about our political system. This is about THE DEBATE, not some half-baked sensationalist drivel about the left-right paradigm. Different things happen under different parties PERIOD. Do you think something like Obamacare would even be proposed if Mccain was elected? NO. Of course not. That's a difference of PARTIES!
I don't know why i'm citing this post in particular because it can all be summed up by something like this:
"not like it really matters because both sides are the same thing, all BS "
Posts like this engulf 50% of this topic and it's all junk. We get it, you are so "over" the whole thing and being independent is like "so cool man, because I figured it all out." Please, if all the whiny Ron Paul/GaryJohnson suck-ups (cough cough basically all of ATS cough cough) would suck up their self-righteous fantasy-land goonery and go vote for Romney then we could at least get away from the government beast that is Obama. Seriously. Stop throwing away your votes, and stop whining, all that matters is the primary candidates. I know you don't like it that way, but that is all you have right now to save you, anything else is basically THROWING AWAY your vote.
The same could be said about your 'Anybody but Obama' drivel but I'll just say enjoy your enslavement to the left right paradigm.
Originally posted by LiberLegit
Please, if all the whiny Ron Paul/GaryJohnson suck-ups (cough cough basically all of ATS cough cough) would suck up their self-righteous fantasy-land goonery and go vote for Romney then we could at least get away from the government beast that is Obama. Seriously. Stop throwing away your votes, and stop whining, all that matters is the primary candidates. I know you don't like it that way, but that is all you have right now to save you, anything else is basically THROWING AWAY your vote.
Originally posted by TheRedComet
It is the duty of intellectuals to keep this world from spinning into utter chaos. Your assertion of "Hey, get over it and vote for the guy I like" is, frankly, the stupidest thing I've yet to read on this board. Although I'm certain that various of this board's members would be all too happy to acquiesce to your well-intentioned request-- which is undoubtedly founded in limitless wisdom-- this member will neither do as you have asked, nor will he cease from pressuring the powers that be into allowing us, the people, more options.
Obama is indeed a monster. His penchant for drone-strikes of questionable legality, his continuous infringements upon the rights of American citizens and his continued support of Israel, despite their obnoxious saber-rattling, prove this easily enough. I once voted for the man, but have been tremendously disappointed with his performance. He's a war-monger.
Your buddy Romney is not a saint, however. His dubious business background, coupled with his reticence to release tax documents and the comments he makes "off the record" about a large percentage of Americans show him for the tool he really is. Further, he's a socially conservative Mormon-- the sort of person whose mind has been poisoned by religion. This fact alone is enough to keep me from voting for him.
To criticize others for choosing to support a third-party candidate, calling it an exercise in futility, is the epitome of ignorance. In my own circles, I've been urged to vote for one candidate or the other: The lesser of two evils, etc. That's not good enough for me, however. Some of us aren't happy to simply yield to the bloated, untenable political machine that currently exists in our country like you are, and will stop at nothing to voice our support for what we consider a quality alternative. Some of us are willing to stand in the face of said machine and exercise those rights that are still available to us. While it's true that, in the current political climate, a third-party candidate stands little chance of winning over the brain-washed, ignorant masses, who can't help but to cling to the ideals of long-established (and long-corrupted) political parties, there are those of us who refuse to play the game and who "throw away our votes" in the interest of gaining traction for independent causes. You might say we’re playing the ‘long game’.
In a race where the only options are two "evils", the only conscionable thing to do is to seek out a better candidate. You can play the game, accepting it as the only path, and live with the consequences, or you can choose to exhibit some independence of mind and do what is truly right: Seek out a candidate who can truly look out for the best interests of the people. I don't know that such a candidate truly exists. But I'll continue supporting the independent cause in the hopes that one might eventually emerge. You can be certain that such a candidate will never come from either of the established political parties. They're simply too eroded by idiocy and greed.
If you can, in good conscience, support a candidate that threatens the very fabric of our society with policies that will probably embroil our troops in foreign wars and whose favorite hobby appears to be stripping citizens of their rights, then go right ahead and vote for an Obama or a Romney. Go ahead and play into the hands of the powers that be. Do not, however, criticize those who refuse to play the stupid game of American politics.
edit on 5-10-2012 by TheRedComet because: .