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reply posted on 4-10-2012 @ 08:51 AM by ProfEmeritus

What's up with Obama tonight? He's struggling to remember his facts and points, and seems nervous and reserved. He's tripping over his words and isn't speaking with a whole lot of conviction.
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There was NOTHING wrong with Obama tonight. He is exactly what you saw, an empty ideologue that has spouted his lies so many times, that he actually believes them. When confronted with FACTS, he was a deer in the headlights, unable to respond, because he was clueless. Tonight, people saw the REAL Obama, a small, insignificant person that actually thought he was huge. Sometimes the truth actually comes out on the MSM. I was a rare moment of reality on a medium that pushes "reality TV", when such airings are anything BUT real.
The debate, however, will not change my vote. I am voting for Ron Paul, registering my belief that neither party cares about the American public, but only about their respective special interests.


reply posted on 4-10-2012 @ 08:53 AM by Phenomium
Originally posted by seabag
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Hello...the black dot on Romney's flag pin on his jacket? Any ideas? I think with all of their symbolism...this might be something to look at.


That black dot obviously symbolizes the black hole our economy is being sucked into under Obama's reign of terror. 

The blue background of the stage symbolizes the smooth recovery of the next 4 years after the Marxists are forcibly removed.  



Now THAT....makes more sense.


reply posted on 4-10-2012 @ 09:09 AM by openminded2011
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It was like Gary Kasparov vs Rocky Balboa. Obama seemed smug and vaguely factual, Romney was like a pit bull on crystal meth. Romney definitely came out looking stronger but I would like to see the specifics of his "plan". Obama needs to get rid of the chess player approach and put on the boxing gloves. I got the impression both men were very disingenuous, but the cave man in us will remember Romney as seeming stronger even though he was most probably lieing through his teeth.


reply posted on 4-10-2012 @ 09:35 AM by LeatherNLace
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I agree with your assessment. Up until the debate, Romney had not given any specifics of his policy plans. Even during the debate, the moderator had to drag them out of Mitt (and we still didn't get much of anything of substance). Because of that, Obama couldn't prepare to debate unknown policy. Really, all Obama could do going into the debate was to show contrast between he and Romney, play it safe and try not to lose any ground in the polls. Romney, on the other hand, knew Obama's policy and was thoroughly prepared with his talking points.

Now that Romney has finally put some policy plans out there, Obama can prepare to dismantle them and outline exactly how Romney's policy falls exactly in line with the Romney that has been losing in the polls for months....the 47% Romney.

Other thoughts on Obama's strategy:

-Play it safe
-Don't turn people off by throwing zingers, just act presidential
-Get Mitt to talk specifics
-Give Mitt a false sense of over confidence
-Let Mitt go "shotgun" style and throw out all of his ideas on day one
-Let fact checkers dismantle Mitt's words, most people wait for the news to tell them the "truth" anyway
-On future debates, come out swinging...it's not how you start the game; rather, it's how you finish it.

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reply posted on 4-10-2012 @ 09:56 AM by Indigo5
A few quick thoughts here...

Romney won on Style, Confidence, Polish etc. Which of course is what is most important to the vast majority of undecided voters who tend not to be politicos.

Romney definetly used his weakness as a strength...lack of specifics. Landing a blow for Obama was like trying to catch a greased pig. Romney would simply say "No...My plan isn't that" and without any specifics to nail him on...he was able to.

Pres. Obama...definetly off his game. It was like he was somewhere else. Almost like someone showed him pics from Area 51 right before the debate just to mess with him.

In reality, I think he was over-coached...play it safe, don't lose your cool, let the campaign do the heavy hitting...don't bring up the 47% comment etc. etc.

The problem is that President Obama plays it cool by his nature and damping down that leaves him disengaged.

I think his debate coaches need to "Let Obama be Obama"..

Romney gave a stunningly non-specific and largely dishonest performance IMO, but handily won on the metrics that matter to the majority of a debate audience. Flash over substance.

Pres. Obama?...he needs a new debate coaching team. He needs to fight like he is behind, not ahead and after last night that is slightly closer to reality. Where is the Pres. that can take an elbow on the BB court and still drive to the hoop? His debate coaches encouraged him to play it safe and that was a grave error. The clearest example was the manner in which his eyes looked like repressed anger and frustration and then he would go to speak and fumble out practiced retorts...for God's sake man...let it out...Let Obama be Obama and let the cards fall where they may. He needs to debate like an insurgent, despite his narrowing lead.


reply posted on 4-10-2012 @ 10:24 AM by AxelAxel
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YES!!!! The United States CAN and WILL have an election where we are not voting for two men who are ACTIVELY STRIPPING AWAY OUR RIGHTS!!!

This makes me crazy, do some of you people actually watch this and think it holds water? Regardless of winning or losing, regardless of who better diverted questions, why don't we strictly concentrate on POLICY and PAST ACTIONS!

Do you not, at any point, ask yourself why a man like Obama in such a publicized event stumbled and stammered like a babbling idiot? Why, when in the past he has shown to be a put-together passionate speaker? This is a FACADE to make the election look more credible and to fuel competition between a two-party system that has been rigged to the input-output system us American slaves succumb to.

"Oh look, Romney was slipping in the polls, let's have him win a debate!"
"Oh look, Obama was slipping in the polls, let's have him win the second debate!"

This is a game, a game for children to watch and clap their hands at excitedly, the fact that the abhorrent crimes these men have committed are not the forefront of debate show this. When national security requires strict regulation of media and the internet, the barring of prominent national figures from the public, and the detention of citizens that speak out about their rights and the truth, then maybe you will wake up. Oh wait
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