Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
There's a saying. Some theists believe that God exists out of time. This is something of a contradiction.
For one thing, there's nothing in the Bible that can support this.
Secondly, if God actually exists outside of time, how can he be a part of this universe when time is a big part of this universe? Time has a huge
effect on this universe. Stars born, stars die. In fact, i don't think the universe can exist without time.
So if God can be outside of time then how can he be in this universe and be a part of this universe?
The Bible does support the notion that God is not only outside time and space, but not part of the universe at all. According to both science and the
Bible, the universe is an image God created, a reflection of Himself.
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
He then states that He is Word. Word is wave and information.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were
made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the
darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.
In physics, the wave of light quanta is the duality of particle and wave. Light is both, but also includes consciousness. God is said to be
changeless. This would be consistent with be extra-dimensional.
If you move the first dimension in time, you produce a flat plane. If you move the second dimension in time, you get a 3D object. So far, movement
has been in slices. If you move your 3D object (body) in time, you get collapsing wave function. In order to make a choice to move your body in
time, you must collapse the indeterminate wave of probability to make a determined choice. The fourth dimension is time. Below the fourth dimension
is the changing states of matter. All four dimensions then determine probability for changing the states of matter by slice in time. The fifth
dimension is this probability space that is collapsed to the fourth dimension to change the states of matter. Consciousness is needed to make this
happen with purpose. God is above this process, although this is conceptually impossible for us to fully grasp.
Now is dependent on what came before and so is the future. God collapsed the wave to make our future determined, but he is not restricted to now. To
any extra-dimensional being, time is only a factor for the one collapsing the wave, but not for the one outside the process.
To bring this into our own reality, the computer is a model for this process. When you order a game machine with the games preloaded, the user
collapses the wave function of the memory locations to play the programmed game. The user experiences the game as his own creation moment to moment.
In reality, the game was designed and experienced long before the user rides the wave. Time is relative, just as the text below.
If I said, go right, what would you say is wrong with the directions below?
Right -----------------------I AM HERE ---------------------------LEFT
You would say, right is backwards. Maybe, but I am facing you behind the directions. For me, right is your left. For you, my right is your left.
Time and wave function will be the same by the perspective of the user and the creator. His reality is not necessarily yours.
The Bible states this about God:
‘But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not
slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to
This can easily indicate time dilation.
24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is
not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made
all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27
God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live
and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’
There is a great deal of information here. He has marked out times, as in future to us but programmed to him. Remember, God is Word.
If you read the Bible for all it's worth, you will find much more than this on the subject.
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