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posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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reply to post by AfterInfinity
 


The fact that they are drawn to the "Religion, faith, and theology" section says a lot.




posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by Kritter

Then who dreamed him up?


No one.


Originally posted by Kritter

Bible writers? Yep. Man created god not the other way around.


Incorrect.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by Kritter

Then who dreamed him up?


No one.


Originally posted by Kritter

Bible writers? Yep. Man created god not the other way around.


Incorrect.


Somebody or something dreamed him up.....he's never been seen, always given credit for things that there is no proof he even did.......he's a man made deity more or less constructed to give the vulnerable masses something to cling to such as hope and all that other stuff.....belief is not historical fact, god is not an historical fact and his only existence comes from the mouths of ancient sheep herders 2000 years ago. The god debate is nill in both camps atheists and theists as no one can prove a god exist it all boils down to belief and faith and millions have died for those two simple little words.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by Kritter

Then who dreamed him up?


No one.


Originally posted by Kritter

Bible writers? Yep. Man created god not the other way around.


Incorrect.


So why would "God" count on fallible men to write his word? Why wouldn't he just burn this information into everyone's mind and then give us free will to decide if it's something we want to follow? Why test us at all? That seems flawed. You only test someone if you think they have a possibility of failing. Wouldn't God KNOW who is going to fail? With all the inconsistencies between stories and the entire subject change from Old Testament to New Testament, you'd think someone would have thought to include some sort of proof to make sure evil people don't hijack your religion and use it to create war, prejudice, rape, and all the other bad things that have happened in the name of his religion.

Which is more likely?

A magical all-knowing, all-powerful space father created the world in 6 days and he counts on his children who have proven themselves to be unreliable to follow his instructions to write his word and make sure it stays true to him?

OR

Man created gods to explain things that they don't currently know and use that information to control the masses using fear, doubt, and absolution?

My common sense is tingling....



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by Kritter

Somebody or something dreamed him up.....


No one dreamed him up.


Originally posted by Kritter

he's never been seen,


Those who have seen the Son, have seen Him.


Originally posted by Kritter

he's a man made deity more or less constructed to give the vulnerable masses something to cling to such as hope and all that other stuff.....


Incorrect.


Originally posted by Kritter

his only existence comes from the mouths of ancient sheep herders 2000 years ago.


The first man and woman created knew Him. Do you think man is only 2000 years ago?


Originally posted by Kritter

The god debate is nill in both camps atheists and theists as no one can prove a god exist it all boils down to belief and faith


And relationship. It is not up to any man to prove He exists. Those who seek Him, find Him.


Originally posted by Kritter

and millions have died for those two simple little words.


The Church has killed none of those millions.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by grahag

So why would "God" count on fallible men to write his word?


He gave His word to man by the Holy Spirit.


Originally posted by grahag

With all the inconsistencies between stories and the entire subject change from Old Testament to New Testament,


There is no subject change or inconsistencies.


Originally posted by grahag

Which is more likely?


God created all.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by grahag

So why would "God" count on fallible men to write his word?


He gave His word to man by the Holy Spirit.


Originally posted by grahag

With all the inconsistencies between stories and the entire subject change from Old Testament to New Testament,


There is no subject change or inconsistencies.


Originally posted by grahag

Which is more likely?


God created all.





So why would "God" count on fallible men to write his word?


One he could not write and two men wrote it...and three you cannot prove the Bible with itself.




God created all.


Assumption = Fallacy and something you cannot prove sadly.




There is no subject change or inconsistencies.


Yeah they are. But most religious people will explain them away creating long post to distract the reader.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity

With that said, both Christians and atheists are fools because they are forcing the world to fit their ideas, instead of allowing the world to shape their understanding. You are partial. And so you will not understand. A neutral point of view is necessary, otherwise you only understand what you want to.



While this statement is true re Christians it is also inaccurate in such a way as to suggest Christians are taught that they are to change the world. We are not
The simple fact is to suggest we should allow the world to shape our views is wrong, those views would lead to atrocities.
Crusades were caused by the world shaping the views of the church, the inquisitions.
Wars are caused by the world shaping the views of the public.

Your view only focuses on the positives of the worlds influences, you ignore the negatives.

A neutral point of view can lead to extremism if the individual has no foundation or ethical moral base. Thats the point
edit on 6-10-2012 by borntowatch because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by grahag


So why would "God" count on fallible men to write his word? Why wouldn't he just burn this information into everyone's mind and then give us free will to decide if it's something we want to follow? Why test us at all? That seems flawed. You only test someone if you think they have a possibility of failing. Wouldn't God KNOW who is going to fail? With all the inconsistencies between stories and the entire subject change from Old Testament to New Testament, you'd think someone would have thought to include some sort of proof to make sure evil people don't hijack your religion and use it to create war, prejudice, rape, and all the other bad things that have happened in the name of his religion.

Which is more likely?

A magical all-knowing, all-powerful space father created the world in 6 days and he counts on his children who have proven themselves to be unreliable to follow his instructions to write his word and make sure it stays true to him?

OR

Man created gods to explain things that they don't currently know and use that information to control the masses using fear, doubt, and absolution?

My common sense is tingling....




or Gods not telling you

Why Jesus Spoke In Parables
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

“And He said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand” (Luke 8:10).

This strange assertion by the Lord Jesus was given in answer to the question of the disciples: “Why speakest thou unto them in parables?” (Matthew 13:10). Most people have the notion that His parables (earthly stories with a heavenly meaning, some have called them) were for the purpose of helping people who were ignorant of spiritual truths to understand these truths. “Therefore speak I to them in parables,” He said, “because . . . this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they . . . should understand with their heart, and should be converted” (Matthew 13:13,15).

But is not that what He wanted? No, because He knew they really didn’t want to understand. He wanted only those to understand who “in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience” (Luke 8:15).

“He that hath ears to hear, let him hear” (Matthew 11:15; etc.). We read these words coming from the lips of the Lord Jesus at least fifteen times in the gospels and Revelation. The wonderful power in the Holy Scriptures is only operational in the hearts of those who really want to know and follow God’s will. The principle is expressed beautifully in Proverbs 2:1–5. “My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.” HMM



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by borntowatch

Originally posted by grahag


So why would "God" count on fallible men to write his word? Why wouldn't he just burn this information into everyone's mind and then give us free will to decide if it's something we want to follow? Why test us at all? That seems flawed. You only test someone if you think they have a possibility of failing. Wouldn't God KNOW who is going to fail? With all the inconsistencies between stories and the entire subject change from Old Testament to New Testament, you'd think someone would have thought to include some sort of proof to make sure evil people don't hijack your religion and use it to create war, prejudice, rape, and all the other bad things that have happened in the name of his religion.

Which is more likely?

A magical all-knowing, all-powerful space father created the world in 6 days and he counts on his children who have proven themselves to be unreliable to follow his instructions to write his word and make sure it stays true to him?

OR

Man created gods to explain things that they don't currently know and use that information to control the masses using fear, doubt, and absolution?

My common sense is tingling....




or Gods not telling you

Why Jesus Spoke In Parables
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.

“And He said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand” (Luke 8:10).

This strange assertion by the Lord Jesus was given in answer to the question of the disciples: “Why speakest thou unto them in parables?” (Matthew 13:10). Most people have the notion that His parables (earthly stories with a heavenly meaning, some have called them) were for the purpose of helping people who were ignorant of spiritual truths to understand these truths. “Therefore speak I to them in parables,” He said, “because . . . this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they . . . should understand with their heart, and should be converted” (Matthew 13:13,15).

But is not that what He wanted? No, because He knew they really didn’t want to understand. He wanted only those to understand who “in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience” (Luke 8:15).

“He that hath ears to hear, let him hear” (Matthew 11:15; etc.). We read these words coming from the lips of the Lord Jesus at least fifteen times in the gospels and Revelation. The wonderful power in the Holy Scriptures is only operational in the hearts of those who really want to know and follow God’s will. The principle is expressed beautifully in Proverbs 2:1–5. “My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.” HMM


And you know jesus said all this how exactly?



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by Kritter


Somebody or something dreamed him up.....he's never been seen, always given credit for things that there is no proof he even did.......he's a man made deity more or less constructed to give the vulnerable masses something to cling to such as hope and all that other stuff.....belief is not historical fact, god is not an historical fact and his only existence comes from the mouths of ancient sheep herders 2000 years ago. The god debate is nill in both camps atheists and theists as no one can prove a god exist it all boils down to belief and faith and millions have died for those two simple little words.


We have seen God in Jesus, yes its a faith.
Even more crazy is Christ came to earth and was crucified on a cross in front of the world, then told His followers to imitate Him.
This isnt the actions of a deity people, logically minded people could understand.
This isnt the actions of a God you you could contain in your mind.
The growth of Christianity over 2000 years proves more than you care to admit, Christians dont kill people who deny Christ (well shouldnt), dont have their own governments, dont have their own legal system, dont have a clerical hireachy. Are taught to serve, turn the other cheek, to deny violence.
Those rules are the ingredients for sheep to the slaughter, yet Christianity thrives.
Unlike most other religions it advocates no violence, yet it grows

in the world Christianity is illogical, made to fail yet of the world it succeeds, changes lives and grows exponentially still.
Yes I find it hard to believe myself, it cant be human.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by borntowatch

Originally posted by Kritter


Somebody or something dreamed him up.....he's never been seen, always given credit for things that there is no proof he even did.......he's a man made deity more or less constructed to give the vulnerable masses something to cling to such as hope and all that other stuff.....belief is not historical fact, god is not an historical fact and his only existence comes from the mouths of ancient sheep herders 2000 years ago. The god debate is nill in both camps atheists and theists as no one can prove a god exist it all boils down to belief and faith and millions have died for those two simple little words.


We have seen God in Jesus, yes its a faith.
Even more crazy is Christ came to earth and was crucified on a cross in front of the world, then told His followers to imitate Him.
This isnt the actions of a deity people, logically minded people could understand.
This isnt the actions of a God you you could contain in your mind.
The growth of Christianity over 2000 years proves more than you care to admit, Christians dont kill people who deny Christ (well shouldnt), dont have their own governments, dont have their own legal system, dont have a clerical hireachy. Are taught to serve, turn the other cheek, to deny violence.
Those rules are the ingredients for sheep to the slaughter, yet Christianity thrives.
Unlike most other religions it advocates no violence, yet it grows

in the world Christianity is illogical, made to fail yet of the world it succeeds, changes lives and grows exponentially still.
Yes I find it hard to believe myself, it cant be human.





Even more crazy is Christ came to earth and was crucified on a cross in front of the world, then told His followers to imitate Him.


No proof of this....only in the Bible. Murder is a common theme throughout the Bible, rape, child killing and the list goes on so who in their right mind would want to live by a book that promotes this sort of hatred and violence. Christianity as a whole is failing worldwide and losing members by the truckloads.A Land survey conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion shows that Protestants are quickly becoming a minority at just over 51% in the US:




The Landscape Survey confirms that the United States is on the verge of becoming a minority Protestant country; the number of Americans who report that they are members of Protestant denominations now stands at barely 51%. Moreover, the Protestant population is characterized by significant internal diversity and fragmentation, encompassing hundreds of different denominations loosely grouped around three fairly distinct religious traditions - evangelical Protestant churches (26.3% of the overall adult population), mainline Protestant churches (18.1%) and historically black Protestant churches (6.9%).


religions.pewforum.org...

The Christian Science Monitor in an article states that evangelical christianity is on the verge of collapse within 10 years.

www.csmonitor.com...[/ur l]

The long term for churches look even worse:

[url=http://www.christianpost.com/news/southern-baptist-head-we-have-a-vision-problem-39345/]http://www.christianpost.com/news/southern-baptist-head-w e-have-a-vision-problem-39345/

No I would say that christianity has a problem.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 08:53 PM
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Well, you go ahead and think what you want. I guess when religion is one's complete and total focus in life, everything has a religious tinge.

You could say that all religious people have a god and all atheists don't.

Or, you could say all people have a god, some just call it football, or alcohol, or family, or work and career.

But atheists have no "bible" or text that all agree on, no meeting place to worship the nothingness together and reinforce their faith in and testify about the nothingness. They don't spend their lives contemplating the nothingness, talking about the nothingness and praying to the nothingness.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 10:25 PM
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Sorry you're not perfect? Man, by what I've seen in this thread you're not even trying.

Why would I care that you might be making atheists look silly? What difference does it make here on this site, in this forum? The most brilliant minds in Christianity fail time after time to make them look “silly”, so what hope do you have? I am neither Christian or atheist. Subsequently, I do not have invested interests in either side. You of all people, with your 11th grade vocabulary, your infantile name calling, and your “stick and stones” locution are far, far away from making me shake or worry.

This whole thread is an alarming demonstration of your humble wit. There is nothing wrong with being less dowered in the domain of intelligence, as long as you have at least a bantam tittle remaining that might tell you to keep your fat ignorant mouth shut. I've decided to go ad homonym on you for one reason and one reason alone. You have no point. There is nothing to contend or even discuss. Not a single shred of anything that might resemble a trenchant topic. You have continued to breath into this thread what ever flaccid resemblance of life there is, by pettifoggery, opprobrious speech, and the deconstruction of the character and value of those who come to share there opinions. If you don't want to hear their sentiments, then why would you have authored such a thread in the first place?

As for asserting to be even remotely in vicinity of the company of the men you mentioned you are way, way off kilter. Paul, a man of substantially more fortitude than you, actually had something worth while to share and accordant to your dogma, was an elysian of God. Are you speaking for God?

Tertullian was most likely a disciplined lawyer. He was highly learned, a true scholar who wrote several books in languages other than his native tongue. He took his life in his own hands by advocating the views he held. Are you any of those things? What jeopardy are you in, with namelessness of the internet, as you turn over the “change tables” of the Pharisees at the temple?

Luther was the ultimate in adrenaline junkies of the early Protestant church. What he did at Worms was a derisory display of strength and bravery. His outspoken ministry of defiant averment against the Roman Catholic Church, was the quintessential benchmark for the passion that one should put into their beliefs. But you sir, are no Martin Luther. By the way, the little remark after his name instructing me to “have a read” is far more scurrilous and undignified then any authentic Christian should be.

One thing that all of these men had in common in respects to their often ardent discourse, was that all of them saved their most spinous words and admonishments for fellow Christians and for those who claimed to be doing the work of God. The place that those postures most aptly belong. Malice and intellectual bile doesn't often win over even one person from the crowd of the resistance. Or do you not care about winning anyone over to your “side”? If not, ask yourself why? What ministry is it that you are doing, then?

You are a fool and an ignorant, uneducated one at that. You are the worst kind of fool. One with a cause fought with his banal tongue.

I hope one day that you learn not to pick fights with giants. The truly saddening thing about my response is that I actually, like an ignoramus, put effort into disassembling your piggish mind. It's all a waste, save someone with half a brain venture by and read
edit on 6-10-2012 by Philodemus because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Kritter

And you know Jesus said all this how exactly?


Uhmm because its recorded from history
You know everything historical is recorded. You deny all written history or just that stuff you dont want to agree with?
Petty silly argument, next you will deny Christ as a historical figure. Truly nobody IS THAT stupid, dont make that mistake



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by Philodemus
reply to post by borntowatch
 


Sorry you're not perfect? Man, by what I've seen in this thread you're not even trying.

Why would I care that you might be making atheists look silly? What difference does it make here on this site, in this forum? The most brilliant minds in Christianity fail time after time to make them look “silly”, so what hope do you have? I am neither Christian or atheist. Subsequently, I do not have invested interests in either side. You of all people, with your 11th grade vocabulary, your infantile name calling, and your “stick and stones” locution are far, far away from making me shake or worry.

This whole thread is an alarming demonstration of your humble wit. There is nothing wrong with being less dowered in the domain of intelligence, as long as you have at least a bantam tittle remaining that might tell you to keep your fat ignorant mouth shut. I've decided to go ad homonym on you for one reason and one reason alone. You have no point. There is nothing to contend or even discuss. Not a single shred of anything that might resemble a trenchant topic. You have continued to breath into this thread what ever flaccid resemblance of life there is, by pettifoggery, opprobrious speech, and the deconstruction of the character and value of those who come to share there opinions. If you don't want to hear their sentiments, then why would you have authored such a thread in the first place?

As for asserting to be even remotely in vicinity of the company of the men you mentioned you are way, way off kilter. Paul, a man of substantially more fortitude than you, actually had something worth while to share and accordant to your dogma, was an elysian of God. Are you speaking for God?

Tertullian was most likely a disciplined lawyer. He was highly learned, a true scholar who wrote several books in languages other than his native tongue. He took his life in his own hands by advocating the views he held. Are you any of those things? What jeopardy are you in, with namelessness of the internet, as you turn over the “change tables” of the Pharisees at the temple?

Luther was the ultimate in adrenaline junkies of the early Protestant church. What he did at Worms was a derisory display of strength and bravery. His outspoken ministry of defiant averment against the Roman Catholic Church, was the quintessential benchmark for the passion that one should put into their beliefs. But you sir, are no Martin Luther. By the way, the little remark after his name instructing me to “have a read” is far more scurrilous and undignified then any authentic Christian should be.

One thing that all of these men had in common in respects to their often ardent discourse, was that all of them saved their most spinous words and admonishments for fellow Christians and for those who claimed to be doing the work of God. The place that those postures most aptly belong. Malice and intellectual bile doesn't often win over even one person from the crowd of the resistance. Or do you not care about winning anyone over to your “side”? If not, ask yourself why? What ministry is it that you are doing, then?

You are a fool and an ignorant, uneducated one at that. You are the worst kind of fool. One with a cause fought with his banal tongue.

I hope one day that you learn not to pick fights with giants. The truly saddening thing about my response is that I actually, like an ignoramus, put effort into disassembling your piggish mind. It's all a waste, save someone with half a brain venture by and read
edit on 6-10-2012 by Philodemus because: (no reason given)


I got through a third of that, that was enough
I dont care, ignore me I will ignore you



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by Kritter

Originally posted by borntowatch

Originally posted by Kritter


Somebody or something dreamed him up.....he's never been seen, always given credit for things that there is no proof he even did.......he's a man made deity more or less constructed to give the vulnerable masses something to cling to such as hope and all that other stuff.....belief is not historical fact, god is not an historical fact and his only existence comes from the mouths of ancient sheep herders 2000 years ago. The god debate is nill in both camps atheists and theists as no one can prove a god exist it all boils down to belief and faith and millions have died for those two simple little words.


We have seen God in Jesus, yes its a faith.
Even more crazy is Christ came to earth and was crucified on a cross in front of the world, then told His followers to imitate Him.
This isnt the actions of a deity people, logically minded people could understand.
This isnt the actions of a God you you could contain in your mind.
The growth of Christianity over 2000 years proves more than you care to admit, Christians dont kill people who deny Christ (well shouldnt), dont have their own governments, dont have their own legal system, dont have a clerical hireachy. Are taught to serve, turn the other cheek, to deny violence.
Those rules are the ingredients for sheep to the slaughter, yet Christianity thrives.
Unlike most other religions it advocates no violence, yet it grows

in the world Christianity is illogical, made to fail yet of the world it succeeds, changes lives and grows exponentially still.
Yes I find it hard to believe myself, it cant be human.





Even more crazy is Christ came to earth and was crucified on a cross in front of the world, then told His followers to imitate Him.


No proof of this....only in the Bible. Murder is a common theme throughout the Bible, rape, child killing and the list goes on so who in their right mind would want to live by a book that promotes this sort of hatred and violence. Christianity as a whole is failing worldwide and losing members by the truckloads.A Land survey conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion shows that Protestants are quickly becoming a minority at just over 51% in the US:




The Landscape Survey confirms that the United States is on the verge of becoming a minority Protestant country; the number of Americans who report that they are members of Protestant denominations now stands at barely 51%. Moreover, the Protestant population is characterized by significant internal diversity and fragmentation, encompassing hundreds of different denominations loosely grouped around three fairly distinct religious traditions - evangelical Protestant churches (26.3% of the overall adult population), mainline Protestant churches (18.1%) and historically black Protestant churches (6.9%).


religions.pewforum.org...

The Christian Science Monitor in an article states that evangelical christianity is on the verge of collapse within 10 years.

www.csmonitor.com...[/ur l]

The long term for churches look even worse:

[url=http://www.christianpost.com/news/southern-baptist-head-we-have-a-vision-problem-39345/]http://www.christianpost.com/news/southern-baptist-head-w e-have-a-vision-problem-39345/

No I would say that christianity has a problem.


The world does not revolve around the US, just in case you didnt know. And well we might look at your country, its a shambles and will be lucky to survive intact, the year out. Glad I dont live or come from there.

The US in no longer the worlds power, there is nothing in that to me. As for its Christian identity, that is long dead. Wars drugs guns and porn, its what your economy is built on, not just the sin.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Ummmm....who says I have a "religion"


Atheism is a religion. Man's fallible intelligence is your god.


Well...one thing about science...it sure as hell delivers the goods, doesn't it? I mean...if you REALLY want to light up a room to you sit in the dark and wish really, really, hard for a magical lamp with super long-lasting oil in it...or do you just go ahead and flip on that light switch?

I rest my case.



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by borntowatch
Uhmm because its recorded from history
You know everything historical is recorded. You deny all written history or just that stuff you dont want to agree with?

Historians do not consider "the bible" to a work of history. We know for absolute certain that ALL modern bibles currently in circulation are descended from the heavy-editing at the First Council of Nicea.
To date, there has not been ANY historical or archeological evidence uncovered which indicates that there was ever a guy in Jerusalem named "jesus" who did a bunch of nifty tricks.

There is, however, an ABUNDANCE of historical and archeological evidence to suggest that the bulk of the New Testament was a re-hashed version of Ancient Egyptian beliefs from about 2000 BC. Here are the similiarities between "jesus christ" and "Horus Krst" of Egypt.


(1) It is written that both Horus and Jesus existed before their incarnations.
(2) Horus was born of the virgin Isis on December 25th in a cave/manger.
(3) Horus' birth was announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men.
(4)
The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: "Out of Egypt have I called my son." (Matt. 2:15)

(5)
He was a child teacher in the temple and was baptized by Anup the Baptizer when he was thirty years old.

(6)
He had twelve disciples and performed miracles such as feeding bread to the multitude and walking on water.

(7) He raised one man, El-Azar-us, from the dead.
(8) He transfigured on a mount.
(9)
He also had titles such as the "way, the truth, the light, the Messiah, God's anointed Son, the Son of Man, the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the Word, the Morning Star, the light of the world.

(10) He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the lamb, lion and fish ("Ichthys").
(11) Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
(12) Horus was called "KRST," or "Anointed One.
(13) He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
(14)
The adoration of the Virgin and Child is connected with both the adoration of Isis and the infant Horus and the adoration of Mary and infant Jesus. In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of the baby Horus being held by the virgin mother Isis, the original "Madonna and Child."

(15)
Concerning the writing of the Gnostics, C. W. King, a noted English author, says: "To this period belongs a beautiful sard in my collection, representing Serapis,...whilst before him stands Isis, holding in one hand the sistrum, in the other a wheatsheaf, with the legend: 'Immaculate is our lady Isis,' the very term applied afterwards to that personage who succeeded to her form, her symbols, rites, and ceremonies" (Gnostics and Their Remains, p. 71).

(16)
Osiris, Isis, and Horus are the principal trinity of the Egyptian religions. God the Father, Jesus the Son, and the Holy Spirit is the Christian trinity. Dr. Inman affirms the Egyptian roots of the Christian trinity "The Christian trinity is of Egyptian origin, and is as surely a pagan doctrine as the belief in heaven and hell, the existence of a devil, of archangels, angels, spirits and saints, martyrs and virgins, intercessors in heaven, gods and demigods, and other forms of faith which deface the greater part of modern religions" (Ancient Pagan and Modem Christian Symbolism, p. 13).

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Dr. Draper says: "For thirty centuries the Egyptians had been familiar with the conception of a triune God. There was hardly a city of any note without its particular triads. Here it was Amum, Maut, and Khonso; there Osiris, Isis, and Horus" (Intellectual Development, Vol. I, p. 191).

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Dr. Draper stated: "Views of the Trinity, in accordance with Egyptian tradition, were established. Not only was the adoration of Isis under a new name restored, but even her image standing on the crescent moon reappeared. The well-known effigy of that goddess, with the infant Horus in her arms, has descended to our days in the beautiful artistic creations of the Madonna and Child." (Conflict, p. 48).

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Mrs. Besant believes that Christianity has its main roots in Egypt: "It grew out of Egypt; its gospels came from thence [Alexandria]; its ceremonies were learned there; its Virgin is Isis; its Christ, Osiris and Horus."

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There are two stories connected with Horus that is analogous to stories found in the Old Testament. The hiding of the infant Horus in a marsh by his mother undoubtedly parallels the story of the hiding of the infant Horus in a marsh by his mother undoubtedly parallels the story of the hiding of the infant Moses in a marsh by his mother. When Horus died, Isis implored Ra, the sun, to restore him to life. Ra stopped his ship in mid-heaven and sent down Thoth, the moon, to bring him back to life.

Any of that sound familiar??



posted on Oct, 6 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by Kritter


Somebody or something dreamed him up.....he's never been seen, always given credit for things that there is no proof he even did.......he's a man made deity more or less constructed to give the vulnerable masses something to cling to such as hope and all that other stuff.....belief is not historical fact, god is not an historical fact and his only existence comes from the mouths of ancient sheep herders 2000 years ago. The god debate is nill in both camps atheists and theists as no one can prove a god exist it all boils down to belief and faith and millions have died for those two simple little words.


We have seen God in Jesus, yes its a faith.
Even more crazy is Christ came to earth and was crucified on a cross in front of the world, then told His followers to imitate Him.
This isnt the actions of a deity people, logically minded people could understand.
This isnt the actions of a God you you could contain in your mind.
The growth of Christianity over 2000 years proves more than you care to admit, Christians dont kill people who deny Christ (well shouldnt), dont have their own governments, dont have their own legal system, dont have a clerical hireachy. Are taught to serve, turn the other cheek, to deny violence.
Those rules are the ingredients for sheep to the slaughter, yet Christianity thrives.
Unlike most other religions it advocates no violence, yet it grows

in the world Christianity is illogical, made to fail yet of the world it succeeds, changes lives and grows exponentially still.
Yes I find it hard to believe myself, it cant be human.


Christianity hasn't been "non-violent" for even a half an hour of the last 2000 years....and I'm pretty sure that a big part of the reason so many christian sects are against abortion and birth control is precisely for the reason of breeding more little tithe-payers.





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