What Muslims think about mocking prophets, page 4


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reply posted on 3-10-2012 @ 07:52 AM by Grumble
Originally posted by mideast
reply to post by Andcoulter




Shouldn't you as a Muslim be far more worried about bad Muslims than bad Christians?


This is simple.

Wahhabis are not Muslims

And those who call them selves Christian + they know the lessons of Jesus + they don't do as Jesus did = they are not Christian.

They are a shell of Christian + I wanna do what I please . Like wahhabis.

West created Wahhabis to achieve it's goal. It is clear in history.

+ What that I don't talk about , doesn't mean that I am satisfied with it + I am concerned with many other facts but I don't discuss them in this thread.

peace.
edit on 3-10-2012 by mideast because: (no reason given)


Ok, tell me this. I am "Christian" insofar as I believe in the actual teachings of Christ - peace, love, tolerance, charity, etc. But I do not believe in the mystical or superstitious parts of the religion - Christ being the actual son of god, the virgin birth, miracles, and so on. So virtually any Christian would say that I am not a true Christian, and I would say (as you do) that they are not true Christians if they do not behave in Christ-like ways. And you want to disciminate between various types of Muslims and determine who is a real Muslim and who isn't as well.

So, who really knows? Who is in charge? How could we imperfect humans ever devise and implement a system to arrive at the real truth? In answer to those questions, we in the West have developed a societal value in separating church from state, to avoid enshrining smallmindedness into law. And we have developed science to answer the real questions about the nature of the universe. And because of our acceptance of the limits of power and the usefulness of empiricism, we believe in free speech and that, in essence, nothing is sacred and everything should be defensible on its merits or discarded.

And this is where we are different. I say nothing is sacred. I can stand on the street corner and scream f--- Mohammed and f--- Jesus, and if you want to fight me over my blasphemy, I will fight you for the right to be a blasphemer. Because I know the moment you limit speech you limit thought, and when you limit thought you hide the truth from yourself. THIS is why I do not see the Western world and the Islamic world coming to terms any time soon. The Islamic world was once the center of learning and science, but the religion turned in a dark direction and occulted that which could have made it the center of the world. Now you see us as infidels and we see you as backward and an impediment to progress. Where do we go from here?


reply posted on 3-10-2012 @ 08:21 AM by Freeborn
reply to post by Andcoulter



You are not really asking me that are you? I quoted it exactly from you so there would no confusion. Here it is again.


To be perfectly honest with you, in my self-educated ignorance I really had little understanding of the word 'dichotomy' until reading your post.

I have no idea how some of the basic, different mind sets / viewpoints / beliefs etc became a 'dichotomy', I can only suggest that maybe after up to 1400years of Islam it's teachings and beliefs have seeped into the very essence of Middle Eastern society and culture.


.......and from here it has the scent of a ruse


A ruse?
And why would I attempt something like that?
For my own benefit what gives you that impression?
I assure you I only speak as I find and I also attempt to be as transparent and honest in all my posts, or indeed anything I do.


in attempt to engage in something perhaps cathartic on your behalf but most likely less than productive on mine.


I have no need at all to engage in any sort of 'cathartic' exchange or outpouring - I believe what I believe and I fail to see why expressing those beliefs may be construed as part of some sort of 'cathartic' releif.
If that is the case then I'd suggest the vast majority of people who post here on ATS are also engaging in the same sort of process - I much prefer to believe that we just like to express our thoughts and opinions and share them with people - no need to over analyse or over complicate it.


If you are serious about your question above then I am not sure I will ever be able to communicate with you in any manner that will benefit anyone.


As much as I enjoy exchanging opinions and debating with all manner of people and learning one or two things along the way you should really just do as you see fit - makes no real difference to me either way.

But I will say that if you intend to maintain that sort of approach then your stay at ATS will either be a very short one or a very lonely one.


.....and be right up front about where you want this to go.


As I hope sure one or two people here on ATS can attest to I am nothing if not open and up front about things, perhaps too much so at times.


I am not looking for fights.


Good.
Me neither.



reply posted on 3-10-2012 @ 08:50 AM by etoibmys
reply to post by mideast


this post smells of hate, you sound a bit hostile. I would keep an eye out for someone like you.


reply posted on 3-10-2012 @ 09:25 AM by RealSpoke
reply to post by mideast


Why do you feel you have the right to tell others what they can and cannot say?


reply posted on 3-10-2012 @ 09:29 AM by mideast
Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by mideast


Why do you feel you have the right to tell others what they can and cannot say?


They are saying what they want actually.

But mutual respect is what you are missing to look at as a goal.

Is that much ?


reply posted on 3-10-2012 @ 10:54 AM by jimmyx
Originally posted by benrl
The christian God says that if you even look at another Human with anger in your eyes you have committed murder.

That when slapped you offer the other cheek to be slapped as well.

The christian Bible also says a time of great apostasy will happen in the Church, where people will fall away from their beliefs.

The christian God says that we should not seek vengeance as it is his to deal out, not ours.

We are told that when this happens to not be discouraged but to look up, for our redemption draws near.

We do not need to retort to every mocking of our faith, of our God, or of our Savior.

More so as an American, I believe that people are free to say what ever they want, even if it makes some one else uncomfortable.




yes, you are right...BUT,.....this was written over a thousand years ago!!!....we as humans have become more tolerant of our fellow man.........why??......because we have learned to live with each other, without killing or destroying, because of what others have spoke....why??....because that's what animals or barbaric humans USED to do....we as a species have been trying to become more civilzed toward each other despite our faults.

and...it's your god, not mine...i do not believe in your god or any others...why?...because i do not want to obey or follow someone that kills people if they do not worship him...that is not a god...that is a cruel, vindictive ruler who has no control over his own emotions....therefore, he is not a god
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