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posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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Hi.

Can I do this? Well I'm doing it but I don't know if I'm breaking the rules. god i sure hope not ...


Once somebody said something about the t&c of use and I had to ask them wth they were talking about, I didn't know normal people read that stuff. Then I remembered where I was and realized there are no normal people in this neighborhood.

Anyway on to the meat of the post. Okay I read this thread....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and I have to disagree on so many levels.

I'm not saying government goons don't visit the site from time to time just to see what we're discussing but I don't think they're serving the craziness.

Isn't most of the information on this site provided by the members? I'm not a govt. goon and I bet most members can say the same. So how exactly are they doing the lab rat testing thing?

I would say the lame stream media would be much easier to control than us.



It is commonly believed in these communities that ATS is in fact an experimental website where members are given data and their reaction and/or knowledge is observed and recorded.


You see what I'm saying?

Like I mentioned earlier I'm sure the goons visit but don't try to tell me they are starting the majority of the threads on this site. Maybe a few and I'm sure they may even comment on some but does it really matter anyway?

They're everywhere and you can't do much about it so I find it's a lot more fun to play with them than try to fight with them.


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posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 11:17 PM
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As another poster replied on the other thread, being as this is a public forum, as is the internet as a whole, all sites are fair game to be screened.

Just be cautious and do not state any thing that can come back to haunt you....



posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 11:17 PM
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So what do we do with them?



posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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I dont think nor care if this government. But there are agents as members.



posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 11:23 PM
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I'm a government goon, unfortunately I'm Canadian so unless you want to take the gloves off, put on a bunnyhug, meet me at Timmies while wearing your gotch, I can't do much...



posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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I don't really think that their are actual paid dis-info agents lurking this website. I also don't think there is any reason to worry about (not that all would worry) them information gathering. If anything, I could see journalists coming here to find breaking stories to report on. Sometimes ATS can beat most mainstream sources by hours if not days. Plus our opinions are a great place to get ideas about what the general populace feels about certain topics. (Maybe to get people more on the MSM side... or maybe they are just strapped for ideas)



posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by superman2012
I'm a government goon, unfortunately I'm Canadian so unless you want to take the gloves off, put on a bunnyhug, meet me at Timmies while wearing your gotch, I can't do much...


I will one up you, I will meet you there and I will wear and toque, a number 99 Jersey, and carry a bottle of beer with a mouse in it.

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posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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You do realize alot posted on here is regurgitated MSM,just with a spin.
Don't get me wrong,there are some gems,but far and few.
It's easy to post something from the MSM before many have seen it and pawn it off as breaking news and such.
Just for attention.
I 'm guilty of it as many are.

But ,if you were to venture beyond ATS,and post and read on other conspiracy sites and posted something beyond the norm,then,yes,you have stepped out away from the "herd" and the "wolves" have taken notice.





But,seriously,if that was true they would have locked up every child molester before they committed a crime.
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posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by TheSparrowSings

Originally posted by superman2012
I'm a government goon, unfortunately I'm Canadian so unless you want to take the gloves off, put on a bunnyhug, meet me at Timmies while wearing your gotch, I can't do much...


I will one up you, I will meet you there and I will wear and toque, a number 99 Jersey, and carry a bottle of beer with a mouse in it.

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Hell, I'll go too, just to see the mouse in the bottle of beer.

I'll be the one in the Betty Boop snuggie.......



posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 11:45 PM
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Dear cavalryscout,

There are plenty of government "goons" on the site, there are police, fire and all sorts of people. There are also many military and ex-military people on the site. If I saw a credible and immediate threat to kill someone on this site, I would report it, same thing if I saw someone posting child pornography. It doesn't mean that it is my job to be on the site; but, there are so many people in state, local and federal government that are on social media for the same reason as everyone else. Some of us goons also provide useful information that you would not otherwise have. Personally, I am in the transportation end of things and I have posted on how the Federal government is attempting to take over local municipal right of ways.

As for monitoring by the police and federal agencies. Of course they monitor social media, they would be quite stupid if they did not. If people are dumb enough to post pictures of themselves stealing and beating up people, the police are going to look for them and wouldn't you expect them to?

As for being lab rats, sure we are to a degree; but, we always have been, you just didn't know it. All the little militias were infiltrated decades ago as was the Black Panthers, the Communist Party and every other group that has advocated violence. If they are tapping cell phone conversations without a warrant, why wouldn't they monitor social media? The NSA and others have openly stated that they are designing software to predict civil disturbances, that is the job of these organizations and no, you don't have to like it and I don't have to like it either; but, it is real.

Just about everyone in my family has secret or top secret clearances, primarily military. I even dated a woman with a Top Secret clearance, I found it quaint and amusing that she thought I would be impressed. One of my relatives was the military liaison for a the United States to a foreign country. Even though I have not applied for a secret clearance, because of my family my phones has been tapped going back to the 70s, the FBI has checked me out numerous times and I am not allowed to see my FBI file.

You might think that it was difficult growing up knowing that the government was watching you, it was merely annoying because I knew it and I knew it had nothing to do with me, collateral inconvenience at best. The fact is that the government monitors for very specific things. Many people have posted pictures of themselves smoking weed or doing stupid things and nobody came and arrested them. They are looking for serious crime and could care less if you hate jews; but, if you give credible information that you actually intend to kill someone then they will take action.

ATS, intentionally or unintentionally, is a window for the government to look for conspiracy theorists and extremists so they are going to look into it. In general ATS is managed so well that truly hateful or threatening things are removed by the monitors fairly quickly. Everything on the internet is monitored and always has been, it began as a military project and has remained funded by the government. Look up ICANN and you will see how true this is.

The truth is that the government really doesn't worry about 99.9% of us and they shouldn't. The fact that someone smoked weed last night just isn't going to gain the attention of the FBI. I guess I am saying is that they monitor; but, it really doesn't matter.



posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 11:54 PM
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I think if they are really involved, that they would logically only post a few threads, and make sure they are about topics that find to be important, for the purposes of A) data mining to see how their current psyops are fairing amongst the public at large, or B) for the sake of providing the affore mentioned psyops material, just off the top of my head.

They are almost certainly present, posting and monitoring, I just don't think they have much worth reading to say, as most of the members here are pretty smart, and not easily fooled into the traps psyops attempt to lay.

I mean let's be honest here, we are all very skeptical of TPTB and so all info from basically any source gets picked apart 10 ways from Sunday, so as to expose any and all disinfo.

Outside of that, meh, let em watch, maybe they will learn somthing.



posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 12:03 AM
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Dear cavalryscout,

I would like to add something to my last post. My father had a unique clearance (no he wasn't a spy) for job specific reasons and I don't believe he was even allowed to read my file. He did not have a need to know. I want you to consider this, everyone in the FBI (my father was not; but, I do know people who were) has an FBI file on them; as do their children; but, they are not allowed to review them without a need to know. I will also tell you that in the 70s, I smoked weed and they did not tell my dad; but, I am quite sure that they knew. We are all monitored now; but, nobody cares about the little things.



posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 12:07 AM
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posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 12:28 AM
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Well, before MEPS I was being contacted by people in the Army. Some "Special forces" (his claim) commander called me after I stopped going to classes for a week (finishing highschool at a local college)... I don't know how he knew, no body should have known.. It's not like I quit. I was still on the roster.. Just missed 4 days.

After this day they had this sort of "Older buddy" type thing going on. It's like they were trying to make sure I didn't change my mind at the last minute.. They made sure me and this other guy who had been in the Army 10 years were shipped out the same morning.

We stayed in the same hotel room. We talked a lot. One of the main things he did was set up honeypots.. He set up websites so that people would come to him and post openly about their plans, who they were, what they liked.. They set up accounts (multiple up to 10-20 a person) and interacted/incited things. The T&C of this particular website was intentionally crafted to stay safer from such things. It's for us, mostly.

We talked about much more than that though...

Then when I got to FT Benning my entire platoon, of about 44, guys was composed of psych ops. Every one of us had secret clearances so I'll leave it at that. (we stayed in contact later).. I was the only one who wasn't psych ops. We were one of the last non-infantry groups to get to go through the super fun awesomeness of Sand Hill..

Yes they do watch this kind of stuff. They infiltrate gaming chat rooms, come on guys...

As far as Lab rats this is the perfect place to tell whether they should keep pushing propaganda or if they should leave it alone and try another angle. If we catch on and there are a lot of posters spreading the info around the stories usually die out.

Seems like they could have used the Batman shooting for some agenda, but they sort of left it alone.. If this is the case it is our job to stay on our toes and shrink their options. If this isn't the case, it is our job to stay on our toes and shrink their options.. They want to push propaganda to gain allies, but if they push too hard they awaken the masses and it all crumbles.
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posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 12:29 AM
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A few of you are convinced we are being watched........you're free to believe what you want.

I said earlier I think they look in every once in a while or maybe they're tipped off by civilians who want to be govt. goons but just couldn't cut the mustard. (you know who you are) Either way I'm sure it happens.

But I don't think the cia,fbi,atf or any other agency spends much time monitoring the stuff we discuss. Like this for example. Do you think Agent 003 is glued to his computer right now reading this? (hi if ur) Sure maybe some of the posts about the muslim riots for example may spark interest, but I don't think they worry about most of this stuff.

Think of the man power required to monitor every conspiracy site on the internet! I'm not talking run of the mill social sites like FB or Twitter I'm saying only conspiracy sites. I don't think they could do it even if they wanted it's simply a numbers thing.

Maybe I'm just not as paranoid as some of you but that's okay. Believe what you want the whole thing is a little silly.

Peace.




posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 12:32 AM
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actually If you sit on here all day you can read every post that shows up in the "NEW TOPICS" section.. I'm not working, so yea..

That's one person.. That's if you don't have bot scans scouring the site for you.



posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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Originally posted by Dustytoad
Seems like they could have used the Batman shooting for some agenda, but they sort of left it alone


Just like the mass media. And I think this is because they dont want any attention to the fact that Holmes was drugged by some mind altering substance, and put there as a patsy on the location after the real killers left the scene.

This is why he doesnt remember anything, why he is kept from talking to the media, why there was 2 gas masks at the location and multiple witnesses seeing gas coming from two different locations etc.

It was a sloppy inside job but frankly, the mass media doesnt scrutinize anything and what difference does it make if a few of us citizens see what they did? None at all.


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posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 12:35 AM
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Google "Shady Rat" - then extrapolate. Analyzing data streams is the new black. And everybody is dressed to kill - not just the NSA or Cybercommand.


~Heff



posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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Dear cavalryscout,

They are not glued to their computers, that is what algorithms are for. Recently, someone in Valencia, California was questioned regarding his statements that he was going to kill kids at a local school, his post was a comment on some ESPN website. It turned out to be a garbage threat. How do you figure it was picked up? Yes, we are monitored on social networks and everywhere else on the web.



posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 12:38 AM
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Yes it does matter... Not to the people who won't come back, but it matters to me. You see I use these times to spread things onto my facebook, and then if they decide to go forward with an agena, then anyone I know will be like.. Umm hey buddy how did you know that was going to happen? And then they are now on my side and I get to teach them what to look for.

They have to operate centrally. And we operate from every angle.. We out number them. It's only a matter of time. When people lose trust in the media, they will have to trust themselves. This will lead them to decide what to do, and not be told what to do. This breeds self confidence, which is severely lacking right now, "what matters anymore?" is a prime example.

It's step one.
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