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Originally posted by detachedindividual
First, I don't believe for a moment that the media will try to justify the looting. The media is operated by people who have no concept of poverty. They live comfortable lives on high pay, their audience is typically middle class. Why would they even consider that rioting and looting are acceptable in any way? This makes no sense to me.
There are significant racial undertones there. In case you don't remember, right-wing and mainstream media outlets were quick to call African-Americans in the wake of Katrina "looters," while white residents who were taking items from stores were "providing for their families under difficult circumstances."
COLMES: I understand. I don't want to get off track here. I want to talk about the issue of going and taking things in a tragedy like the one we're seeing on our screens right now.
Are you saying — and I think it's all right to go take water or food to feed your family when there's anarchy. But what about taking televisions? What about taking things that you can't even plug them in. Is that the same thing?
Read more: www.foxnews.com...
“good” looting: taking items that facilitate survival. Interviews with eyewitnesses right after Katrina found that the preponderance of the looting that primarily took place in the week after the storm was about three-quarters of the looting was for necessities, while the remainder was for non-necessity items (Barsky, Trainor, and Torres, 2006). Some residents of New Orleans did walk out of stores with items that were not useful post- Hurricane, but many of the looted items were meaningful to those “on the ground” in ways that are not readily apparent.
In addition to clear cases where looting was reasonable and expected given the harsh experience of staying in New Orleans during and after Katrina, the looting of luxury items, such as expensive electronics, makes sense in terms of survival as well. Considering that socio-economic status was a primary indicator of whether a resident was able to evacuate (Dyson, 2006), the ability to liquefy luxury items into cash translated into freedom to leave the city. This is not to say that all of the looting that took place post-Katrina was justified in terms of survival, but a much greater amount was justified when viewed through the lenses of the lived experience in New Orleans post-Katrina, in.
Originally posted by Golf66
Originally posted by bobs_uruncle
reply to post by silent thunder
If you want to see this in real life right now, you might want to go to South Africa. There are flash mobs that do almost empty grocery stores. There is a debris driven culture to stop cars so that drivers and passengers can be robbed, raped and/or killed and their cars stolen. The ANC government and mass media are irrelevant as they have no way to stop or control most of the incidents or the violence. South Africa is experiencing the intermediary steps to wholesale and rampant violence on a national scale and is still either the first or second most violent and crime ridden country in the world.
Cheers - Dave
The American urban core is not far from what I have seen in Africa. The large concentrations of blacks seem to live a very similar lifestyle of gangs and corruption, overpopulation, lack of a family unit, etc… Why? Seems odd with all the leg up programs out there things seem to be getting worse for blacks not better. I think the problem might be nature vs. nurture?
Africans had a chance to adopt a European lifestyle and society and some of the countries that did are perhaps the most successful in the continent’s history. The rest of the nations rejected the Eurocentric model and devolved into rampant tribalism and criminal thuggery. Haiti is the same way in our hemisphere – total failure.
Take S. Africa for instance before 1994 and the ANC won the election with Nelson Mandela as the president, the nation was stable if not entirely accommodating of the black majority. In summary, the tension due to the lack of freedoms pre-1994 has been replaced by tension due to a lack of any guarantee of personal safety.
When the ANC took over; suddenly a surge in unemployment of both blacks and whites hit the country. Desperation and hunger became the order of the day for so many and the only way to survive was to steal. Slowly things got better but it is still not enough to make a definite change. The economy has improved since, but economic disparities persist.
Now crime rates are not just highest among industrialized nations, but nearly the highest overall. Despite official statistics showing a recent decline in crime rates - murder rates have more than tripled in the New South Africa after the ANC. Most of the crime is committed in the big cities. People surround their houses with electric fencing or razor wire and alarms. The security firms are booming, and the educated of all races flee for European nations.
The question has to be asked why? There is a trend in Africa (especially in the Sub Sahara) and then Haiti as well - what is the thing all these nation-states have in common?
Could it possibly be the 800lb gorilla in the room no one wants to acknowledge?
The races on the planet are different not only in physical appearance but in their mental make-up and ability - be it intellect, drive and or ability to succeed as a group.
Whatever you want to call it there is a clear and glaring disparity in the willingness of different races to surrender the individual to the greater good, their sexual habits, spending vs. saving habits and marital commitments along with the role of fatherhood.
There has been some research done in the past on the racial predispositions to certain social norms and mental ability, nature vs. nurture and other kinds of studies but regardless of the caliber of the study the people just won’t hear it for some reason.
TPTB want none of it leaked - most people willingly accept that while there may be real physical differences between races any perceived differences in mental ability must be related to outside factors not genetics.
I remember the Bell Curve and the controversy it generated.
Africa is a nightmare – I have been to Sudan, Somalia, Chad, Djibouti and other places. Basically they are living in a feudal system of thuggery and might makes right.
Take away our leg up programs and crutches and I think our urban core will be right behind them.