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U.S. Army Characterizes People “Frustrated With Mainstream Ideologies” As Terrorists (article)

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posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 01:09 PM

Individuals who “believe in government conspiracies” also framed as violent radicals Paul Joseph Watson October 2, 2012 A leaked U.S. Army document obtained by Wired Magazine characterizes people “frustrated with mainstream ideologies” as potential terrorists, while also framing those who “believe in government conspiracies” as violent radicals.

“These are some warning signs that that you have turned into a terrorist who will soon kill your co-workers, according to the U.S. military. You’ve recently changed your “choices in entertainment.” You have “peculiar discussions.” You “complain about bias,” you’re “socially withdrawn” and you’re frustrated with “mainstream ideologies,”


Scary article... guess some of us here on ATS are now considered terrorists? NDAA anyone?

Look at what they now consider radical.... "frustrated with mainstream idologies", isn't this the reason everyone is on ATS in the first place?

This is pretty unbelievable if it's credible, I know it's infowars. Any way, wanted to get input from yew guise

posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 01:17 PM
One of my favourite authors on subjects that aren't so "mainstream" is Thomas Naylor.

His background?

PhD Cambridge University
MSc London School of Economics
BA University of Toronto

Currently a Prof at McGill University in Quebec Canada... One of the country's top schools...

Professor Naylor's research concerns international black markets, smuggling (particularly of arms, drugs, wildlife and art-works), money laundering, environmental crime, and, more recently "terrorist financing." He consults for and lectures to government agencies involved in tax and criminal justice enforcement issues, and to forensic accounting firms involved in investigating financial fraud. His published work appears regularly in, among other journals, Crime, Law and Social Change, of which he is a senior editor.

I don't really think it's anti-social to be interested in his works though, nor does it make you "conspiratorial"...

posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 01:18 PM
reply to post by Gwampo

As one of those to whom this is directed, yes there is an emphasis on it now and not just this specific document.

I can say, your military is made of Americans who can still think for themselves for the most part. Most are level headed and can keep this in context, keep it reasonable.

Where it goes from here tomorrow? Who knows...

posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 01:26 PM
reply to post by boncho

If you read that chart you will see other things that might make someone very suspicious though:

"Advocates violence beyond what is "normal"' -not entirely sure what that even means, but violence shouldn't be advocated at all...

(Even in a situation where war is happening or has the potential to happen, "advocating" it is a little extreme no?)

"Believes in government conspiracies to the point of paranoia" -Normal? Nope, they are well documented but no reason to get your panties in a twist. Worried about gov chems being poured on us are we?

Mind you, the above were just put down in observation... Those two stood out as both I don't see as very normal.

Then in the flag section it covers actions/opinions of people who are looking to "seek revenge against others", "attempting to recruit others to extremist causes", etc.

And in the third category, it goes on to cover:

Suddenly buying/stockpiling weapons, taking part in criminal activity, indicates hatred towards the US/constitution, etc....

I don't know. Some of it seems ambiguous and it's odd seeing a flyer like this which was used when we were kids to watch out where the "danger zones" in a house might be (plug receptacles and whatnot) but I think it's a far cry from "they got a pamphlet out now and everyone's gonna get arrested NDAA styles....

If they are highlighting things like "involved in criminal activity" as a reason to investigate, they may as well make a pamphlet saying "arrest someone if you see them shoot someone"....
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posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 01:30 PM
well they are going to love me......In the words of Sam Becket...."oh boy"

I doubt they actually believe this. That is not to say it doesn't serve its purpose....but as long as you serve yours, I doubt they will get involved with every tiny infraction in preferred personality traits.

They are a military...not a social club. I wouldn't even care.

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posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 01:33 PM
I'm going to link the original wired article for those who just can't stand infowars

It's all there. (Sorry, Can't stand that spammy site).

posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 01:40 PM
I left the Army in 2010 because I became disillusoned with it.

I guess I'm a terrorist because I disagree with my government on many things.

My question is how can one be a 'terrorist' without terrorizing anyone?.....Is this going to be the new witch hunt of the 21century??

My other issue would be how many soldiers will blindly agree with this? I have seen the best and the bottom of the barrel when I was in.....They work side by side.....I still believe even the best would continue to follow the chain of comand even if its wrong.

posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 01:44 PM
If the best follow the chain of command, I hope the chain of command is full of Oath Keepers, or we are all in trouble. If people like us and our fellow ATS posters are considered terrorists, they have the laws in place to come and arrest us without due process. Some of us will fight back and be killed and then the MSM will tell America we were all armed domestic terrorists.

posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 03:27 PM
reply to post by ABNARTY

I can say, your military is made of Americans who can still think for themselves for the most part. Most are level headed and can keep this in context, keep it reasonable. Where it goes from here tomorrow? Who knows...

People can be prepared by institutions and organizations to use horrific violence outside of the realm in what we consider civilized behavior. There are rules even for killing and there should be. These are policies that come from educated people. We are the same species of the ones who committed the unspeakable crimes in Germany during WW2. Hitlers words: "the brave men who gave their lives for the greater good". As if anything good ever came out of the socialist movement in the past..... we who know history, know it brings murder and misery in practice.

posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 03:44 PM
They just lump in those who are "real" terrorists, with those who aren't.

Reading those "signs" you could either be an Oath Keeper or a nutter planning to blow up a building.

Under "ACTION" though it does say "Verbally indicates hatred for the United States and/or the Constitution" which wouldn't hold true for an Oath Keeper.. but other than that....

That is probably the point though, because then they can "train" all of us into recognizing the REAL terrorists, while at the same time train us to recognize the threat against THEM... which is of course, an informed and critical thinking public.

They are training people to recognize THEMSELVES as a threat should they ever start "feeling" any of these signs, while also turning us all into twitchy paranoid snitches.

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posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 05:24 PM
reply to post by OldSchoolMom

Totally agree. I have personally seen what happens with not enough 'adult supervision' in Iraq. It can derail - I will not argue that.

Another poster talked about the good and bad working side by side. Absolutely true. The only reason we have survived as a military and a nation is the good win a lot more than the bad.

I cannot predict what will come tomorrow but I can guarantee the good guys will be in knee deep, swinging hard for what is right. Will it be enough? Who knows. All Americans need to step up for what is right instead of sitting back and waiting for someone else to fix it all.

posted on Oct, 2 2012 @ 06:06 PM
reply to post by Gwampo

I am in the Army and last week we had a class on extremist groups. One of the slides in the presentation labeled people who support the constitution as a threat. It also mentioned that a warning sign that someone is a threat is making statements against current policies of the administration.

The Army trying to teach us that militias are bad and standing up for rights(that we are supposedly here to fight for) is some sort of sign that a person could be a threat.

posted on Oct, 3 2012 @ 06:12 AM
reply to post by ABNARTY

All Americans need to step up for what is right instead of sitting back and waiting for someone else to fix it all.

Yes! Fear no evil or what it can do, speak up with the truth. This is bravery.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Here is our oneness right there...we are humans and must realize we have an spiritual enemy that influences us to be self-destructive towards each other. We need to wash our hands and keep them clean (metaphorically)now.

We all know that what is good and honest needs not do things in secret...speak up..Warn the people of any dirty plans against them. Thwart evil plans if you can find a way to do so ....We cannot say we want what is good and serve out evil to others..this is deception.

We need everyone to over-ride those who refuse to speak truth and do right. Fear no evil.

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