reply to post by ColoradoJens
Thanks for the comments - I guess you don't realize that when you watch a you tube vid on ATS it doesn't direct you to the you tube page.
It's pretty much commonsense. If you watched the video, at the very end a design comes up that says 'rightchange.com'.
I made note of it because your arguments and your form are argument are ridiculous.
That's funny. No where in my tiny little post did I say I "discovered" anything,
It's an extrapolation from the context of your post.
No, I don't think Obama is trying to weaken ties with Israel.
So then how do you explain the Obama administrations role in the fall of Mubarak - a pro Western ally who upheld the peace treaty with Israel - and
the subsequent election of the Muslim brotherhood, an Islamic extremist organization?
To quote Niall Ferguson (the British Harvard professor from the video):
"the scenarios that the Israelis are looking at involve a transition not to some kind of peaceful and amicable democracy but to a Muslim Brotherhood
dominated regime which then pursues an aggressive policy towards Israel; this is a High Probability Scenario
How can you logically oppose this? It's clear and obvious to any student of the politics of the middle east that the Muslim brotherhood - who
maintains close ties with Hamas - will take an antagonistic stance towards Israel.
Obama has also avoided meetings either in Israel or with Netanyahu at the white house or NYC, where the president actually snubbed meeting Netanyahu.
This is not all dreamed up; you have political positions that directly contradict the security of Israel; you have mixed signals coming from the
president and members of his administration creating an uncertainty as to the status of their relationship; you have the current chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff saying he wants to part in an Iran war, though he recognizes the existential threat Iran creates for Israel.
If you cannot see how this policy has been bad for Israel - as EVEN THE ISRAELIS say - you are completely blinded by your hate.
Ah, yeah, riiiight. Mind pointing those circumstances Obama created for this to happen again?
You really do not know or care to know anything about the politics of the region.
You want to dismantle my argument, go make a fool of yourself
Heres my premise (if you are educated you will understand the process of my argument): It should go without saying that to prove me wrong, you would
have to prove this premise wrong.
Sunni Islamic theology makes coexistence with non Muslims as equals impossible. Their entire history precludes it as an expected possibility. ref:
'Closing of the Muslim Mind: How Intellectual Suicide Created the Modern Islamist Crisis, by Robert R. Reilly'.This book details the theological
beginnings of Islam. The metaphysical premise which Islamic thinkers like Ibn Hanbal, Al Ashari, and especially Al Ghazali worked from, i.e a God that
is wholly identified with His attribute of power, or will, results in an Islamic theology and jurisprudence that has everything comport to that
attribute. This is how all Sunni Islamic Jurisprudence functions: God is power, therefore, we must submit (Islam means to submit). All lands who have
not submitted are thus called "Dar Al Harb" abode of war, or the sword, because these lands are both at war with God, and slated for war by Muslims.
I wont go deeper into it than this; my point is, there is a needed background
in the theological ideas of Islam in order to appreciate the
nature and legitimacy of the threat they pose to non-Muslims. There is also a needed understanding of the politics of the middle east since the
British and French came in, and how the presence of modern secularism and technology disheveled the Muslim mentality. This initial 'struggle' in Islam
resulted in the collapse of the Ottoman Caliphate with the founding of the modern state of Turkey by Kemal Ataturk, and it's corollary, the founding
of the Muslim Brotherhood by Hassan Al-Banna. The Muslim Brotherhood was spurred by the secularism introduced by the west into Islamic societies,
leading what hr believed to be the complete perversion in the practice of Islam. Al Bannah envisioned the final goal of the brotherhood to be the
resurrection of the Caliphate, with it's capital in Jerusalem.
So knowing this back history of the Brotherhood and it's theological foundations, helping the Muslim Brotherhood get into power - as Obama did (the
first place in the Arab world which he spoke was Al Azhar university - the university of the brotherhood) will clearly, undoubtedly, lead to
confrontation with Israel.
If you were a better, the odds would be something like 9/10
Are you saying Obama put the Muslim Brotherhood in political control in Egypt?
You really do not understand the intricacies of politics.
By repudiating Mubarak, Obama tacitly lent support to the only other viable candidate to power - the Muslim Brotherhood.
How again did Obama "provide Sunni Islamists the medium to destroy Israel"??
Geezus. You really think you're being smart by replying like that, don't you?? It's amazing how clownish some people can be.
Sunni Islam is the Islam practiced in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood are Sunni Islamists.
The medium in question is the Egyptian state, which they now control. Therefore, Israel is threatened.
And then this: "they will proceed in their war against America.
The Brotherhood is also in Syria - they are the Free Syrian Army currently fighting the house of Assad. As well as in Libya.
The ultimate end goal is a caliphate - a union of many Islamic states. Islamist states currently exist in Egypt, soon to be Syria, and probably Libya
Helping them into power in Egypt just brought them closer to that grisly vision of a united Islamic caliphate.
If you understood the implications of this you would understand why we cannot let that happen.
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