Originally posted by inverslyproportional
reply to post by travis911
I could have told you the chinese carrief wasn't anything to be excited about, it is a Korean or vietnam era hull, that wasn't ever even good enough
for Russia to compete with Americas carriers, why do you think the Russians scrapped it?
It is nothing but a talking point for the chinese, which means it is nothing, as they are all about propoganda. They have no idea how carrier
warfare even works, not to mention the logistics of arming, and supplying such a vessel.
Sorry, but wrong. It is not "Korean or Vietnam" era. It is an ex-Soviet carrier from the late 80's, with little use of the hull. It wasn't that
Russia didn't want it. It's that after the Soviet Union came apart, they could not afford it. nor did the now smaller, "Russia" really need it.
The Russians have always depended more on their Army than Navy. They developed a large navy during the Cold War, primarily to counter the large US
Navy from ever resupplying Europe in a NATO-Warsaw Pact conflict, and for force projection in other disputed areas (learned this from the Cuban
Russia depends more on it's sub fleet for Naval Power, although they do have a respectable surface fleet they could put to sea, which still includes
1 carrier, 2 battlecrusiers, several modern destroyers, and decent troop landing forces.
Liaoning (16), is the first aircraft carrier commissioned into the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN). Originally laid down as the Admiral
Kuznetsov class multirole aircraft carrier Riga for the Soviet Navy, she was launched on 4 December 1988 and renamed Varyag in 1990. The ship was
purchased in 1998 by the People's Republic of China and towed to Dalian Shipyard in north eastern China. After extensive refit and sea trials, the
ship was commissioned into the PLAN as Liaoning on 25 September 2012.
As an individual ship or even put into a strike force, it's not a major threat to the US Navy.
But it does represent 2 things.
1) As you did mention the chinese, "don't know how to do this", This ship is for those things. It's for training and experience building. Pilots
need to be trained, deck crews need to be trained. Procedures have to be developed. Tactics and operational models developed within the mold of what
China sees their needs are for a carrier fleet. Alll this takes time, but more importantly a carrier to learn these skills, particularly for the
pilots. The US started out with the Langley and other earlier carriers. That's what this is....which means that THEY ARE DEDICATED TO BUILDING A
CARRIER FORCE. They already have plans for at least 2 carriers of their own design. Which are planned to be bigger than this ex Soviet job. Which
means China wants........................
2) To get into force projection. One of the first things you need for Force Porjection away from home is Air Power, and now they can take it with
them. Naval Air Power via Carrier is one of the most important steps to becoming a major regional or world power these days. that's why even
countries like Brazil, Itally, and India have small (usually STVOL or helicopter) carriers. This allows them to get (albiet somewhat limitied) ability
to force project in their own regions, or act as part of a coalition, to influence world events. France has a full deck carrier and the UK is working
on one or two full deck carriers. Australia had one up until not to long ago, and has talked of aquireing one of the older US ones again.
So while the individual carrier isn't much, it's what it represents for the future of the Chinese navy that's the issue. Remember what 6 carriers
did camping north of Pearl Harbor awhile back ?????
I suggest everyone read up a bit on the virtues of the aircraft carrier.
I posted Wiki for anyone that wnats to look. Not trying to be to snarky, but some of you need some basic reading before you discuss these matters.
Other wise it's just, "OURS IS BIGGER THAN YOURS"...........