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I'm sorry but I have to leave this thread now. All hope is lost. Good bye.
I wont be returning to this thread so please don't reply to this post.
Wait...hold the door for me......
Des
ALERT! ALERT
PUBLIC NOTICE
Tooth has been at this for over 500 pages spread across 3 threads. Hundreds of people have tried to explain evolution to him, he does not understand it. He makes up words like target food, and than makes up a definition, and says it's a component of evolution. If that makes no sense, it's because Tooth makes no sense. Save the trouble people!
Sorry Tooth; This is a public service, meant to save hundreds of people from the headache your theories cause (not cause they are complicated, but because you fail to grasp the simplest of concepts)
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by Barcs
You missed the whole point, as usual. It only appears to be happenstance that the correct food is here on the same planet because your brainwashed by the fact that we have everything, and you just take that for granted.
Since you're wrong in the very first sentence I'll just stop you here. Food isn't just available for every species. They have to go out and earn it by hunting or gathering. It's not like there's a designated cat food tree and then around the corner is the antelope's bush.
If this were true, we would eat the same food that say the ant eater eats, and still eat the same food that apes and chimps eat. The fact is we don't, in fact we don't even eat the same food groups.
The animals evolve AND the food evolves. As long as the food contains the same nutrients it doesn't matter what it is. Protein is there? Great, a lion could survive eating that almost exclusively regardless of what source the protein comes from. There's a reason why this essential nutrient is found in so many foods, and it's not because aliens designed it that way. Because an animal is both FOOD and not food. Hunter and the hunted. It's all the same stuff. Whether a lion takes down an antelope and feeds the pride with it or 100 hyenas surround a wounded lion and eat him. It's the circle of life, which you don't really seem to understand. Nothing is just designated for anything else. They take what they can get.
Just goes to show how much you haven't been paying attention. I never made up a componet of evolution, and if you thought I did, you missed my scarsim.
Just figured people who just joined this thread should know that...before wasting their precious time
Also, is it really necessary to start 3 different threads all rehashing the same false nonsense?
"All hope is lost!" (pretty much sums it up)
No it doesn't. Adaptation is not the same as evolution.
But we can totally explain why living beings on earth have food sources, and why they eat the food they eat...the theory of evolution explains it thoroughly (and in a provable way). Maybe you should spend a bit more time actually reading up on the theory you so don't understand
so you still never answered my question, did we follow that evolution branch and change along with it? And how could such a feat be possible if everything is always changing? Sounds more to me like intelligence is once again present in these steps.
Why on earth would that be the case? Of course we eat different food because we followed a different evolutionary branch. Again, do yourself a favor and read up on the theory before making more uneducated claims
PS: We do actually eat a lot of the same food that apes eat (last I checked humans eat bananas and fruit)...hell, there are even cultures that eat ants
My threads only cause headaches because you are unable to prove them wrong .
Sorry Tooth; This is a public service, meant to save hundreds of people from the headache your theories cause (not cause they are complicated, but because you fail to grasp the simplest of concepts)
Just figured people who just joined this thread should know that...before wasting their precious time
Also, is it really necessary to start 3 different threads all rehashing the same false nonsense?
"All hope is lost!" (pretty much sums it up)
I always feel sorry for you Barc when I have to respond to your comments.
It's not happenstance, lol! There's no such thing as a "correct" food. There is protein, which is the key nutrient to survival for pretty much all creatures. They eat protein and they are made of protein. How can you call it coincidence? If the food weren't there, everything would die out. Wow what a huge coincidence! Creatures need to take in energy to survive! Imagine that!
Do you have something that shows that they eat meat and grains, because I'm having a hard time finding anything. Also when and how do they eat dairy?
Why do you keep lying? We don't eat the same food groups? WHAT? Stop making things up. Humans eat protein (meats), fruits & vegetables, dairy and grains. Chimps eat food from all 4 of those food groups as well. Stop lying!!!
Most mammals normally become lactose intolerant after weaning, but some human populations have developed lactase persistence, in which lactase production continues into adulthood. It is estimated that 75% of adults worldwide show some decrease in lactase activity during adulthood.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by MrXYZ
Just goes to show how much you haven't been paying attention. I never made up a componet of evolution, and if you thought I did, you missed my scarsim.
Just figured people who just joined this thread should know that...before wasting their precious time
Also, is it really necessary to start 3 different threads all rehashing the same false nonsense?
"All hope is lost!" (pretty much sums it up)
I always feel sorry for you Barc when I have to respond to your comments.
Plants don't usually have protein, meat is a better source for that.
so you still never answered my question, did we follow that evolution branch and change along with it? And how could such a feat be possible if everything is always changing?
No the apes diet is not a main course we use, although evolution believes we share a common ancestor. Isn't it odd how we have never kept one thing from any of that lineage? Isn't it odd how we never shared one common communication word? It's not odd at all if your not really related.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
So I was bored enough to check out tooth's last thread...and it's basically a rehash of the same uneducated "target food" and "the bible is proof" arguments. Anyway, I burst out laughing when I read some of the replies from people who obviously never read any of his threads before:
I'm sorry but I have to leave this thread now. All hope is lost. Good bye.
I wont be returning to this thread so please don't reply to this post.
Wait...hold the door for me......
Des
ALERT! ALERT
PUBLIC NOTICE
Tooth has been at this for over 500 pages spread across 3 threads. Hundreds of people have tried to explain evolution to him, he does not understand it. He makes up words like target food, and than makes up a definition, and says it's a component of evolution. If that makes no sense, it's because Tooth makes no sense. Save the trouble people!
Sorry Tooth; This is a public service, meant to save hundreds of people from the headache your theories cause (not cause they are complicated, but because you fail to grasp the simplest of concepts)
Just figured people who just joined this thread should know that...before wasting their precious time
Also, is it really necessary to start 3 different threads all rehashing the same false nonsense?
"All hope is lost!" (pretty much sums it up)edit on 24-10-2012 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)
This is where the confines of understanding fail everytime. They don't eat other monkeys and apes as a normal part of their diet, and you know this. The problem is that everytime I bring something up, someone has to try to disprove it because of being able to find one event where it did happen. Anything will eat anything if they are starving, and this is a fact. I'm not talking about starving apes, I'm talking about their everyday normal diet.
ALL plants contain protein (amino acids). Actually, about 14% of a plants calories (fuel) come from protein. Broccoli contains more protein per calorie than steak and spinach has as much as chicken and fish.
As for chimps and apes... They eat other monkeys and apes. Does that count as meat? And monkeys and apes that live in regions where grains naturally grow ... Eat grain. Say in Asia?
You have proven yourself willfully ignorant, in regards to evolutionary theory and biology in general. I'm not sure why you continue to engage in debates you obviously know very little about. And your sources have all been religious propaganda.
Just stop regurgitating the lies.
So then the question turns into wanting to know more about why we created this food group to begin with. And you can read all about that in my prior posts. We are lacking a source of calcium here for humans. Unless you consider seaweed to be an everyday part of your diet anyhow.
Oh... And humans are the only mammal that eats dairy after weening. Besides... How could other animals milk different animals to make dairy anyway? You can thank years of animal husbandry and our ancestors ingenuity for there even being a dairy catagory.
I'm sorry but target food was never meant to be a componet of evolution. You obviously missed the point. Target food only exists because there is obvious evidence of intelligence involved in the structure of our life and food chains. Evolution has never afforded the idea of intelligence being involved, therefore evolution has failed to grasp the reality before us.
Of course you did...target food
Or are you saying you were merely joking about that nonsense?
So now I'm spreading lies. If target food is a lie, then you will have no problem sharing with us the mechanism that decides what a species will and will not eat. Again if you had the answer, I'm sure evolution would have worked it into the picture as well.
Well, if you make STUPID comments like this I'm pretty sure the feeling is mutual. All you're doing is spreading lies and showing of your ignorance and lack of education.
That type of syncronicity is not possible, even if you had a crystal ball. There is no way that evolution could make a new species and also tell them which new food they made for them as well.
If you actually bothered to read up about the theory of evolution you'd realise it explains that perfectly well
Then you should have no problem sharing with us what all we shared with these ancestors.
For crying out loud you can't be serious. Have you even read the theory? Because a DUMB statement like above casts doubt on that...
Target food has valid points, so much so that one person that was on my last thread was convinced that I couldn't have been the person that thought up target food and he wanted to know who I stole it from.
I really enjoy this subforum but I can't join many threads anymore or even bring myself to read them because of 500+ pages of utter nonsense, poor logic, and an even worse understanding of biology and the modern synthesis. It's not good for my blood pressure. Thank goodness there are people like Barcs, Mr. X, Colin, etc. to try to bring some sanity to the discussion.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by HappyBunny
Target food has valid points, so much so that one person that was on my last thread was convinced that I couldn't have been the person that thought up target food and he wanted to know who I stole it from.
I really enjoy this subforum but I can't join many threads anymore or even bring myself to read them because of 500+ pages of utter nonsense, poor logic, and an even worse understanding of biology and the modern synthesis. It's not good for my blood pressure. Thank goodness there are people like Barcs, Mr. X, Colin, etc. to try to bring some sanity to the discussion.
Evolution Now Dead.
We know that although chimpanzees have been recorded to eat more than 35 types of vertebrate animals (Uehara 1997), the most important vertebrate prey species in their diet is the red colobus monkey.
All we are doing is trying to figure out ways to adapt to this problem, without even realizing what or why we are doing it. There is more to the adaptation process as well. Anytime you have to adapt, you will suffer a reduction in the quality of life. Cows milk as an example, we have to homogenize, pasterize, and fortify it, and due to all of the work involved you have spent energy that you normally wouldn't have to have spent on your intended source of calcium. It's also not as good for you as your intended source so you will have to consume more of it, and its not as healthy for you. We are used to living this way, but its all we can do.