Originally posted by logical7
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by adjensen
I first read about it here and one other place before I ever found out that Jack Chick had published some series about it.
If we wanted to get technical, we could created a conspiracy out of anything.
That's why I think we should just let the Bible and the Qu'ran speak for themselves.
edit on 2-10-2012 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)
maybe you dont get what i want to point out. Your will take Bible as authority but deny that it was compiled by an agenda holding church?edit on 2-10-2012 by logical7 because: (no reason given)
Let me spin this, as you have done....
"Maybe you don't get what I want to point out. You will take Quran as authority but deny that it was compiled by an agenda holding Islamic society?"
Who compiled the Quran?
The Uthmanic Compilation of the Quran.
Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sha’m and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Quran, so he said to Uthman,’Chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before’. So Uthman sent a message to Hafsa, saying, ‘Send us the manuscripts of the Quran so that we may compile the Quranic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you ‘. Hafsa sent it to Uthman. Uthman then ordered Zaid ibn Thabit, Abdullah bin az Zubair, Sa’id bin al-As, and Abdur-Rahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. Uthman said to the three Qurraishi men,’ In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Quran, then write it in the dialect of the Qurraish as the Quran was revealed in their tongue’. They did so, and when they had written many copies, Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Quranic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, P. 479). For the first time in the official works of the Hadith literature we read of other codices that were being compiled, in addition to the one done by Zaid for Abu Bakr, and that these were widely accepted and well-known, certainly far more so than the codex of Zaid which by this time was in the private possession of Hafsah. While some of those texts consisted only of a selection of portions, it is clearly stated that others were complete codices of the whole Quran.
Why did Uthman burn Quranic verses? I thought the Quran was preserved by Allah. Was there not an agenda on the part of Uthman? Of course there was, because Uthman was a caliph.
The Uthmanic recension of the Quran may well have established only one text as the authorised text for the whole Muslim world, but it simultaneously eliminated a wealth of codices which were widely accepted in the various provinces and which had as much right as Zaid’s to be recognised as authentic copies. At-Tabari records (1.6.2952) that the people said to Uthman ” The Quran was in many books, and you have now discredited them all but one,” indicating that Zaid’s text was not considered to enjoy any preference over them in authenticity or authority. Nevertheless, even though the codices were eliminated, the variant readings between them were recorded and well-known c/f Abdullah ibn Mas’ud and Ubayy ibn Ka’b.
Hmm, it appears to me Uthman had an agenda. Have you ever wondered what Zaid's texts may have said? And since you will never know, Uthman won in his agenda.