Greetings fellow conspiracy theorists, seekers of knowledge, and deniers of ignorance of ATS.
What I am about to present to you, is maybe not quite a conspiracy theory, so much as that it is a collection of information that I have been
researching over the past few months. So please get comfortable, grab a glass of whiskey, and come with me on this journey.
I think the best place to start is the beginning. Way back, a long time ago in June I was reading an issue of Popular Science Magazine when when I
came across this page with this little statistic in the corner.
This stuck with me for a few days. I just couldn't get it out of my head. The first thing that bothered me, was that if 528 people had been to space.
How could 608 have been cremated? Beats me, but I couldn't find a correction of the numbers. So I started some digging and here we are. This thread
initially was a search to see if all people who had been to space were cremated. I quickly found that this was just not the case. But my curiosity was
not sated. So I continued.
Now, it's hard to nail down the numbers, maybe impossible if you think about secret military operations. But anyway this is what I have come up with.
As of June 31st of this year 528 people have been to space. I have been unable to find exact statistics on how many were cremated as opposed to being
buried. The Russians particularly are hard to find information on concerning the disposition of remains.
This is the list of people who have been to space that I used throughout this thread. Humans in space
I started looking at the funeral arrangements for the deceased. I discovered 48 people who have been to space that were not cremated, this includes
those who died in the Apollo 1, Challenger, Columbia, and Soyuz disasters.
During the course of this investigation I have come across some interesting facts. None of this is new, but as far as I am aware. This is the first
time this has been put together in one place.
According to the National safety Counsel, there is a 1 in 7,178 chance of dying in an incident involving aircraft. But if you are an astronaut you
have a 371% better chance of being killed in an aircraft accident. I thought that was pretty
Then there is Pavel Ivanovich Belyayev. I found this information in a review on Amazon, so the validity is highly questionable. But I thought the
information was interesting none the less, so make of it what you will. Link
A strange tale, that of Pavel Ivanovich Belyayev. According to Wikipedia, Belyayev was selected for the space programm in 1960 after nearly
fifteen years' experience in the Soviet air force and navy. He was originally to fly the Vostok 8 mission into Earth's Van Allen radiation belt, but
this was cancelled. He died in 1970 from peritonitis that resulted from an operation on a stomach ulcer and is buried in the Novodevichy convent in
How strange it is then, when one looks at the grave of Pavel Ivanovich Belyayev, that this man who apparently did nothing at all out of the ordinary
has the most splendid grave out of ALL of the cosmonauts in Moscow's most prestigious cemetery, with a magnificent statue evocative of someone who
has done something truly special. Also strange is the fact that, contrary to custom he was not cremated but was buried with full honours. And for what
exactly was Pavel Belyayev awarded the Hero of the Soviet Union, Order of Lenin, Order of the Red Star, numerous medals and foreign honors for? He
also bore the title of the Hero of Socialist Labor of Bulgaria, Hero of Vietnam, and Hero of Mongolia, and had a minor planet, 2030 Belyaev discovered
in 1969 by Soviet astronomer Lyudmila Chernykh, named after him.
Pete Conrad can be found in a few interviews on Youtube, blasting NASA, the Govt.? I'm not sure what to think.
And in this one, is he describing a UFO?
Karl Gordon Henize Died climbing Mount Everest, and was buried there.Link
And here are the remaining who were not cremated, or I could not confirm whether or not they had been cremated, but I think are still interesting due
to a lack of information, or on the little info that is available.
what is the point you are trying to make
ive read the thread twice and still dont get what you are trying to say
could you clear this up for me please
because im kind of interested in what this is all about
edit on 30-9-2012 by itsnotme because: (no reason given)
I recently watched an episode of a show called "Dark Matters - Twisted but true" that you would probably find really interesting. (Segment 15:30 -
In short, two Italian HAM radio operators believed they were recieving radio chatter in Russian from space - this would have occurred prior to Apollo
11. This one is still a big mystery but it is suspected to be related to classified Soviet space programs.
Perhaps the soviets, fearing they would be beaten by the Americans, sent men to the moon but did not tell the world - fearing that the mission could
be premature and possibly doomed to failure. They wouldn't have wanted the world to know that they had failed. It's one theory anyway.
Does there need to be a point?
What's the point of anything anyway?
We live on a speck of dust floating through space. Nothing we do matters.
Regardless, it started out being a search about whether or not all astronauts were cremated. That ended up not being the case. But after spending so
much time collecting all that information, I decided it would be selfish of me not to share it with the rest of ATS.
interesting....i wonder why so many are cremated? i know some would say some type of ritual because the space program is either an outright fake
or there are 2 different programs..the public and the 'secret' shhhh maybe to hide the effects of radiation poisoning? and they dont seem to have
lived to an old age...and lots of accidents.....
im just throwin' speculation around
edit on 30-9-2012 by clearmind because: (no reason given)
I too find the story of Belyayev fascinating,and the ages at which a great majority of the early Soviet cosmonauts died.There are Soviet era files
produced by leading astrophysicists of the time that concluded the Van Allen belt was impenetrable,(I will try to dig it out and post it) quite
possibly Belyayev did fly on Soyuz 8 but was critically irradiated during his flight thru the Van Allen belt,with the Soviets covering up the true
reason for his death,but that is pure speculation on my part,still a fascinating post and worthy of further investigation.
I was kicking myself when I realized I hadn't touched on Sputnik, the lost cosmonauts, or any of that stuff.
And what about China? They are so tight fisted with everything over there, who knows what kind of stuff they have gotten up to.
According to this list 651 human remains have been launched into space.
List of space burials
- April 21, 1997: 24 remains samples launched into Earth orbit on a modified Pegasus rocket
- January 7, 1998: Sample of the remains of Eugene Shoemaker as secondary payload on a three-stage Athena rocket to the Moon
- February 10, 1998: 30 remains samples as a secondary payload launched into Earth orbit on a Taurus rocket
- December 20, 1999: 36 remains samples as a secondary payload launched into Earth orbit on a Taurus rocket
- September 21, 2001: 43 remains samples as a secondary payload failed to be launched into Earth orbit on a Taurus rocket
- January 19, 2006: Sample of the remains of Clyde Tombaugh on the New Horizons spacecraft launched by a Atlas V rocket to Pluto
- August 3, 2008: 208 remains samples flown as a secondary payload, lost in the failure of a Falcon 1 rocket
- May 22, 2012: 308 remains samples successfully launched as a secondary payload along with SpaceX's Dragon spacecraft on a Falcon 9 rocket[5
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