reply to post by MagnumOpus
The whole concept of spirit stems from the individual persons. Spirit, nor faith are based in solid reality. They are products of the
individual visions and fantasy beliefs.
That is what your science teaches you. 200 years ago, they would have said the same of quarks. 1000 years ago, we knew the earth was flat. 500 years
ago, we knew the Sun revolved around the Earth. Imagine what we'll know in another 500 years?
Point being, science is still young. Don't expect it to have all the answers right away, or even to be right the first time. When we have traveled to
distant galaxies and mastered teleportation technology, when we have succeeded in transplanting memories and personalities into machinery and can
teach technology to think as well as we do - when we have done all this, that is when you can suggest that we've found all the answers.
Such are not part of reality speaking nor truth seeking.
Truth is merely a perspective. As such, spirituality plays an enormous role in how we see the world, and hence, it is an innate part of perspective.
Which makes it an innate part of truth.
The drug of religion is this spirit, like an alcohol's effect on the brain, that alters the perceptions of reality. It hasn't worked well for
drunk driving, running school spirit for sex abuse at Penn. State, or Vatican Priests that become sexual offenders.
My, Granny, what a broad brush you have there!
You see our expression of it. Do not even begin to think that spirit is restricted to what we do with it. Our imagination does not define spirit.
Rather, our imagination resists spirit because of our fear. We've gone too long in this survival game; we need to transition to the coexistence game.
We're not doing so well at it, and spirituality is not to blame. Our resistance is to blame.
Spirit and Faith too easily becomes the offense of truth, the excuse to self aggrandize self and group, and the method used to ignore
stewardship toward others, benevolent ideas, and ignoring duty to Government, Community, and society using reality. imho
Just because we use it as a crutch, does not mean it cannot become our wings.
Misplaced ideals formed of Spirit and Faith are subject to gross human error leading to a train wreck for society, and of world community in
Actually, if you want something to blame, blame our vanity - and our temptation to give into it. As you say, our society and government has fed itself
its own disease. Every conspiracy, every conditioning program meant to control society, every game played by the government among its own politicians,
and even the relations betwen nations worldwide are all based around vanity. Help us help you help us. So don't blame spirituality...if we'd had an
honest relationship with the higher consciousness within us, we would have known by now. We would have recognized our mistake. More to the point, we
would have been so sickened that we would have changed by now.
For the Corrupt "Powers that Be", it contains the formula to have people sit on their hands and pray to some fantasy for relief, making them
more able to control. A relieve never comes and matters worsen, when good stewardship and benevolence to others, applied each day, with reality based
activity in Govt and Community would have severed as the better solution providing a reality for humankind.
Again, that's OUR expression of it. It exists independently of us, but we can still redefine the idea in our minds and use that redefinition to our
advantage, which is exactly what we've done. And because, in the process, we've been taught to focus entirely on the material world and our physical
senses, it might take a hell of an intervention to wake us up again.
It's not the fault of spirit. It's the fault of vanity - a symptom of lack of spirit, in the capacity that I'm talking about. We lack humility. It's
the fault of us being so absorbed in our physical being that we forget there's even more to be discovered.
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