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posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 08:55 AM
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This is how I see Obama's vision of/for America:

I really to think that Obama wants to destroy the America as designed by our constitution. I think he wants a socialist/communist/fascist/dictatorial America.

He is already working toward an america that none of us will recognize. I think he wants to destroy constitutional america from within and make it what he considers a socialist utopia. Of course, socialism is killing and destroying the economies of Europe, but he thinks he can do it better. Even though I read an article a couple of days ago that told of how in socialist Spain the middle class people have to dig through garbage to find food.

His kill list and presidential edict that he can detain any citizen for acting suspiciously is clearly fascist and dictatorial. His pronouncement that he wishes he had the power that China's dictators do, shows his wish for a dictatorial or communist society. This is the scariest thing he has done and he thinks it is ok for him to have the power to detain people indefinitely even though they have done nothing wrong, just "think" the wrong way.

His trying over and over to pass bills that makes it illegal for people to express opinions contrary to what he deems acceptable on the the radio or the internet again demonstrates his fascist bent. We have discussed these endlessly on this site.

Obamacare is without a doubt socialistic, it will lead to health care rationing and refusal to treat senior citizens, only give them comfort care and let them die. This treatment of our senior citizens is clearly in the Obamacare bill.

I do not want a socialist america, I do not want a communist america one where drones fly overhead spying on everyone (Obama is doing that now), where major internet companies give personal information to the government (happening now).

I want to return to a strict constitutional government that greatly limits the power of the federal government, and leaves 99% of decisions and power with local and state governments.

I do not want an america where the wife of the dear leader can dictate what is served in schools to make all children lose weight, even if they don't need to or are hungry because of her wishes. I do not want an america where the wife of the leader put out dictates that caused lunches made by mothers with sandwiches and fruit are confiscated and the children are given chicken nuggets. This is communism at its worst.

I do not want an america where dear leader and family spend millions of hard working american's money on lavish vacations and parties to the excess. I do not want an america where the leader plays golf more often than meeting with his cabinet. This is what a dictatorship is.

I do not want the America that Barack Obama wants. No way.

Obama's policies have made 47% of the population dependent upon the government, making them defacto slaves to the America of Obama. Some people think our country needs social programs more than it needs jobs and personal responsibility for your lives. I don't agree.

I want an economic dynamo to come in and fix the countries fiscal problems before we run of of money and can't have any social programs at all.

Obama is just spending on social programs and ignoring the fact that we are about to go bankrupt to the point we won't have any social programs at all.

Obama is happy that almost half of Americans are dependent on him, slaves to his vision of America. He'd rather keep them slaves as long as possible so he can get 4 more years, than fix the economic problem for the long term so we can help the needy far into the future. This is also a form of dictatorship/communism.

I want you all to know clearly I am talking about VOTING! The only way we can make changes according to our constitution is to let the people vote!

Presidential mandates such as have been made the past few years are borderline if not completely unconstitutional. Obviously I think we need to VOTE him out of office. Using the power of the ballot box.

I believe in making peaceful change. Letting old Presidents go into quiet and peaceful retirement with long lives.

I lived in Chicago for several years and know how they operate. So, if I die of unnatural causes soon, hmmmmm. Look to someone trying to thwart the 1st amendment.




posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Well I would like fellow Americans to be healed of their Sicknesses and Injuries instead of living with them. Is that a Bad Thing?

I would like a Strong US Military that fights Just Wars when needed , instead of being "pimped out" to the Highest Bidder. Is that a bad thing?

I would like to know that the Poor's basic needs are met , Having the World's Largest economy should mean there are no Hungry Americans, or Homeless by events out of their control. Is that a bad thing?

Obama may not have the Perfect Vision for America, But it is Better than the GOP who want the Poor to "just go away".



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides
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Well I would like fellow Americans to be healed of their Sicknesses and Injuries instead of living with them. Is that a Bad Thing?

I would like a Strong US Military that fights Just Wars when needed , instead of being "pimped out" to the Highest Bidder. Is that a bad thing?

I would like to know that the Poor's basic needs are met , Having the World's Largest economy should mean there are no Hungry Americans, or Homeless by events out of their control. Is that a bad thing?

Obama may not have the Perfect Vision for America, But it is Better than the GOP who want the Poor to "just go away".
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posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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I want people to get healed of sickness, even senior citizens. Obamacare does not allow for seniors to be healed of many, many problems. Rather Obamacare says, give senior citizens pain medicine and let them die of what could have been healed.

I want a strong military, not the military we currently have that has been decimated and overworked to the point they are killing themselves in record numbers. In sequestration that is shortly to come the military will be cut past the bones into the marrow. That's Obama idea of a strong military.

Yes the poor should have basic needs met. The GOP believes that with all their hearts. However, the GOP unlike Obama wants people not to be poor because they have jobs and self worth and have risen to the middle class out of the 47% who are economic slaves to the DEMS.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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I will take an Obama vision over any an all republican visions. You don’t have to be a super genius to figure that out, that’s why Obama is leading in the polls, and that’s why obama will win a second term.

Its sad to be a follower, I think all the people that love and will vote for obama again, are the new leaders of this world, we’ve had enough followers voting the most trashiest people in our office.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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The best remedy for the poor is a job. Church's and other organizations help the poor. The blanket statement that the GOP does not care about the poor is just silly. The Democrats are creating more poor people everyday. How does that help the poor? Creating jobs will help and enable those more fortunate to actually help the poor. With an economy as bad as America has there is no way the government can help the poor forever. America is already broke. Do you run your household like that? Do you expect a different result when the government does?



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 09:45 AM
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Oh yes, as for healing people. Obama moved $700,000 from Medicare for seniors to Obamacare. Proof he is transferring money that could heal seniors to Obamacare. Obama is demonstrating he thinks senior citizens have no worth and should be allowed to die if they get sick.

Forgetting that many of not most Seniors are among the few volunteer left in America as volunteerism has diminished to the point where Hi Schoolers have to be forced to volunteer if they want to graduate. Forgetting that many Senior Grandmas, provide child care so their children can work without going bankrupt. Of course, Obama probably thinks Grandma care is a bad thing, because they don't indoctrinate their grandchildren into socialism/communism.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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A country where MANY people are unemployed, need medical care but can't afford it, need EDUCATION to increase the likelihood for getting a better job etc..etc... NEEDS "social programs" - this does not make the country communist or even "socialist". (As in "socialist" as being something negative.)

What is the alternative? IGNORING the millions of people, stop all welfare, stop all food stamps etc....basically kicking those millions of people out on the streets and telling them "YOU NEED PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY"

...as you so nicely did in your thread.

This is nothing more than the eternal and continuing view that its anyone's own fault, they must be lazy and it's all their own fault they don't have jobs, money and are in debt.

TOO BAD..all those people are not born like your hero Romney in a crib stuffed with dollar bills.

And, by the way, of course there must be some "economic dynamo", i certainly agree here since this is essential to get a economy up again...but you STILL cannot simply ignore all those people, unemployed etc..you have to do BOTH things..you need to support those people via social programs with the goal to re-integrate the people into society, to give them work. (eg: EDUCATION, training)...but ALSO work actively on creating new jobs. You need to do both.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Republicans are not evil. They help people. They will not just cut off food stamps/welfare/etc. To say that Republicans don't care is ignorant. Your making a blank statement that has no merit whatsoever. Even the free cellphone program touted by Obama backers was introduced under the Reagan administration. Your getting caught up in the koolaid. Obama took 700 billion out of Medicare for Obamacare and is replacing that with the Death Book. Democrats scream about how much they care about the needy while they slit their throats. Just more hypocrisy.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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Does this fidiot realise that a human who is not rewarded by hard work sees no point in doing so and quits?
Remove the craftsmens in a society and what do you have left?
Put it this way where would the government be if every non government person disappeared?
You would have government workers, people on government assistance, perhaps water and other utilities, but where would you get your food? who would fix your car and how well? Who would manufacture the shoes and clothes you wear?



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by LastProphet527

I will take an Obama vision over any an all republican visions.


Is this thread all about which of the two major parties everyone wants to come and lead them to the promised land? Well, hope in one hand for more change in the other. In either event it will probably be another 40 years in the desert (of the Middle East). Either party will gladly gobble-up your liberties as you cheerfully hand them over.

Universal healthcare will be the likely agenda for either one of the parties. Once you have that nailed-down your government will decide what your healthy diet should consist of, just so your own poor choices won't cost your neighbor his tax and health insurance money and take up his hospital bed. Twinkies and aspartame for everyone and fluoridated GMO's will head the list of what is well and right and good for you.

Ask not what your country can do for you. Reclaim self-ownership and do what is right for yourself. No one else will.

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posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 12:21 PM
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Personal responsibility does not mean kicking people onto the streets. It means giving them jobs so that they now have a feeling of self worth, better self esteem and a feeling of I can take care of my own. It means helping them to get work, real work so that they are not slaves to the government, forced to vote a certain way to keep eating.

Social programs for those in need are good and the GOP stand for social programs for those in need. However, the way we are going the country will be broke soon like Greece, and like Greece will be forced to eliminate the programs because the country won't have the money to pay for them. There is not an endless supply of money for the Government out there. The Government gets it's money from people who work and pay taxes. If things keep on the way they have been, there will be so few jobs that there won't be the tax money to pay for social programs. It would be a disaster if Obama keeps spending without drastically changing his approach to the economy, a true disaster for the poorest among us.

By the way Obama's narrative about his early life is, well, lets say we need to look into the facts. His grandparents who raised him were enormously wealthy. Punahoe, the school he went to (I lived in HI and I know) was the school for the very richest who lived on the island, he was surrounded by only the wealthiest families in Hawaii. He went to an expensive college and Harvard is the school for silver spoon kids. In Chicago Michelle had a 6 figure job and that is not poverty or living like ordinary people by any stretch of the imagination. Currently Obama is a multi-millionaire. So don't throw silver spoons in clear candy houses.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Excellent points. Libertarian-ism is the absolute best as far as I am concerned.

However, we only have two real choices in the election. To vote libertarian is to vote for Obama. It doesn't really make a statement, it just gives Obama another chance at re-election.

Obama is quite clear he wants our country to move into socialism and eventually communism, if you pay attention to his writings, and speeches.

Romney is not the "savior", but he is closer to constitutionalism than socialism. I want to see our country move away from far left socialism. So voting for Romney is a vote for a movement toward constitutionalism.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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I sincerely hope you are wrong. For all the reasons I have stated above.

By the way I also do not want as a leader:
Someone who was in a group known for it's wild drug usage. I am for legalization, however, I am not for flagrantly breaking the law and forming a group to do it. Read Obama's book.
Someone who has used up to 4 known alias, why does anyone need to use that many names.
Someone who hides their school records when no one else has.
Someone who uses money taken from middle class hard working people to go on expensive, lavish vacations multiple times per year.
Someone who uses money taken from middle class hard working people to throw extravagant parties.
Someone who bashes a woman with multiple sclerosis for having therapy horses.
Someone who has spent millions and hired an army of lawyers to hide multiple things about his past and identity, why would an innocent man or someone with nothing to hide do that?
Someone who trashes his own grandmother as a typical white woman who is afraid of blacks, when he considers himself black and his grandmother loved and raised him.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 12:40 PM
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Turn.. the Fox News....OFF.

A lot of your post was not based in reality.

Reminds me of when the NRA says proof Obama wants to take away your guns is how he hasn't tried to take your guns away yet.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Please feel free to do some fact checking on my assertions.

I have to admit one was wrong, Obama didn't take $700,000 away from senior citizens (medicare) to give to Obamacare, he took $700,000,000. So you see I'll admit when I am wrong.

When you have reliable sources that refute what I have said, then come back with more than
a troll response. (i.e. I can't refute in any logical way, so I name call and bash the OP) Oh, like you don't consider FOX reliable, I don't consider NBC or MSNBC, or CNN reliable, so please utilize other sources, ones that aren't in the tank for Obama.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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That is $700,000,000,000 actually. So many zero's lol



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Ok, you are correct.
$7000,000,000,000




posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Republicans are not evil. They help people. They will not just cut off food stamps/welfare/etc


They are evil, they do not want to help people, they do want to cut off all benefits and don't care if people die because of it. They cheered when Ron Paul was asked if republicans would let people without insurance die.

Republicans are doing and will do everything in their power to bankrupt most Americans so they can have all of our money and will probably eventually enslave all of us and put us on plantations (the ones that survive bankruptcy).



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by grandmakdw
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Romney is not the "savior", but he is closer to constitutionalism than socialism.


Perhaps, but he doesn't seem any closer on respecting self-determinism, maybe even further afield. Neither will have my vote though. For those who are counting on a Romney win anything is a possibility but from my distant vantage point it seems rather unlikely. For those folks I would suggest they vote for their candidate of choice and be prepared to hunker down and deal with their worst nightmares - advice I would give all sides of this election.

My intent was not to suggest any particular candidate as I do not believe any real hope exists. Regardless of who sits in the Oval Office I believe it is incumbent upon us to assert ourselves against any further deterioration of our rights and privacies, not give them up because we are asked to - all police officers will ask you to forfeit your rights by asking your permission to search, detain, or whatever. They are our rights to give away to the first person - usually someone in government (police, political leader, pencil pusher) - that asks us nicely enough. We are so compliant in that regard and now are nearly bankrupt.

Regardless of who is (s)elected we must reclaim what is rightfully ours - basic human rights and self-ownership.





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