Neanderthals and human lived side by side in Middle Eastern caves and even interbred

Researchers have found evidence that Neanderthals and early man lived together without conflict and speculate that they may have inter bred in the limestone caves in the coastal mountain range of northern Israel, 80,000 years ago.

Heritage site: The Nahal Me'arot (Cave River) nature reserve containing caves used by prehistoric men

Stone axes and sharp flint arrowheads of both branches of the human race have been discovered in the caves, yet no evidence of lethal wounds from those weapons has been uncovered suggesting both sub-species lived in peace.

Researchers suggest that this apparent peaceful co-existence may explain why modern Europeans have some Neanderthal DNA.

Genetic studies have indicated that modern Europeans have between 1 and four per cent of their genes from Neanderthals, who died out 28,000 years ago.

None of the bones uncovered at Nahal Me'arot - a World Heritage site - had lethal wounds which suggested prehistoric men lived in peace with each other 80,000 years ago.

Archeologist Daniel Kaufman said: 'If that interbreeding did take place, it must have been here. To call someone a Neanderthal is insulting to the Neanderthal.'

He told writer James Hilder that he believed peaceful cross-breeding was more likely than the result of rape attacks.

Daily Mail

Neanderthals would have a good chance of passing off unnoticed in a crowd of people, so it isn't a great stretch of the imagination that early humans and Neanderthals had peaceful amorous encounters.

Female Neanderthal (National Geographic)


Imagine how well she would scrub up with some make up...


A National Geographic comparison (Link)

Man I'd need some pretty strong cave-beer to confuse her for Jennifer Aniston

And really, judging by the behavior of a lot of people, is it surprising that there's still some half-neanderthals runnin around today?

I am not surprised.

I had a teacher in grade 7 that had quite the sloaping brow and seemed to be at least of average intelligence.

The reason for the lack of evidence is because the ate what they killed. Back then food was food it didn't matter where it came from.

Originally posted by buster2010
The reason for the lack of evidence is because the ate what they killed. Back then food was food it didn't matter where it came from.

They ate the bones?

Yabba-daba-doooo!

Fascinating stuff though. I'm sure there were many unique examples of developing man mingling and eating in all sorts of ways. Just a matter of time before they uncover a cave village or something with all kinds of unexplainable genetic stuff.

This kinda ties in with Lloyd Pye's ideas on human evolution. Now, many consider Lloyd a crackpot, but here we have respected researchers backing up Lloyds claims to an extent.

Lloyd speaks of the human fossil record and seeks to show that what we call pre-humans were actually apes, or some in that record were ape like creatures called Hominoids - Lloyd believes these are still living today in the form of what many people on all continents call their version of Bigfoot.

Lloyd tells a story and says we have proof of this of how a Russian village captured a female hominoid and kept it for years, domesticated it. The villagers had sex with this female many times over the years and it produced many human/hominoid offspring. This offspring were used as worker slaves for the village. They had the ability to speak as well as great size and strength. There is a record Pye says of descendants of these offspring who married other humans. There is supposed to be a whole family line of human hominoid hybrid people. As crazy as that sounds, it is at least scientifically possible. Most species on earth cannot interbreed but a few can.

The video is 2 hours long but is excellent and worth the watch even if you don't agree with everything Lloyd says.

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It was destined to be fast tracked to Idiocracy.... survival of the fittest... most fertile



Idiocracy
For anyone unfamiliar with this movie, it's directed by Mike Judge. Pretty dang funny

if you are interested in this, read "eaters of the dead" by michael crichton. the movie was awful, the book was fascinating

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Haha glad you brought it up, that intro is so sad and hilarious and true. I think about it sometimes when I'm at Wal-Mart

Originally posted by buster2010
The reason for the lack of evidence is because the ate what they killed. Back then food was food it didn't matter where it came from.

It is quite evident when bones have been through the butchering and cooking process.

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Recall the drinking phrase " Go ugly early " ?

Whole new level of meaning here

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by buster2010
The reason for the lack of evidence is because the ate what they killed. Back then food was food it didn't matter where it came from.

It is quite evident when bones have been through the butchering and cooking process.

edit on 30-9-2012 by JohnnyCanuck because: ...just because, eh?

Right you are, the bones if defleshed often show cut marks, if split open for the marrow that shows up too and if they were cooked welll....

Cookin' dem bones

Out of curiosity, how do they determine that Homo sapiens and Neanderthals are a separate species?

Originally posted by reppie
Out of curiosity, how do they determine that Homo sapiens and Neanderthals are a separate species?

Before there was DNA evidence Neanderthals were considered another species and were deemed a separate human species named Homo neanderthalensis, with the new evidence and indication that many Homo sapien sapiens share Neanderthal genes it has been proposed that the name be altered to Homo sapiens neanderthalensis. At this time I'm not sure if that designation has been accepted and the tautonym changed.

Two organizations rule on this, as far as I understand and these are the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature and International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature - but I'm not sure which one has authority over this question!

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After watching the Lloyd Pye video the questions I wonder are: Where are the Annanuki now? Are they dead?
Where is planet Nuberu now? Why did these others leave Earth? Why would anyone hide or manipulate the truth? God must be an ET, or energy...? The UFOs must be the annunaki monitoring us. It is all very confusing.
The loss of two chromosomes is very telling. Do you think radiation could have caused a mutation? If it is all true
eventually nature would create better possibilities of brains, beauty, and health by certain individuals selectively picking better mates... evolving the genetic codes.

Originally posted by frugal
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After watching the Lloyd Pye video the questions I wonder are: Where are the Annanuki now? Are they dead?
Where is planet Nuberu now? Why did these others leave Earth? Why would anyone hide or manipulate the truth? God must be an ET, or energy...? The UFOs must be the annunaki monitoring us. It is all very confusing.
The loss of two chromosomes is very telling. Do you think radiation could have caused a mutation? If it is all true
eventually nature would create better possibilities of brains, beauty, and health by certain individuals selectively picking better mates... evolving the genetic codes.

Well first you need to realize that good old Lloyd Pie makes up stuff by the basket full......

The loss of two chromosomes is very telling

Not really, two of our chromosomes combined, that is why we have 46 and Chimps 48

Why do humans have 46 and chimps 48 chromosomes

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It has always amazed me some think the whole intermingling thing is too far fetched. It seems a very easy proposition. Matter of fact, I would guess the burden would be on those claiming no intermixing.

I question: would the early humans (however we want to define them) even recognize the concept of 'otherness'? Or are these just some well fed muscle dudes from a few caves over?