Black Bishop Talks to Black Christians about the Democrat Party. (Whites are invited.)

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posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 03:22 AM
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There was a poll out recently showing that 0% of the Blacks in America support Romney. If you're not astonished by that, something's wrong. And in every election since 1968 the Democrat has received at least 85% of the Black vote. In 2008, Obama got 95% of the Black vote.

It's not surprising, therefore that CNN headlined a July article with

Is Obama Taking Black Vote for Granted?"
www.cnn.com...

Are there any Blacks that disagree with the Democrat party? Do they have a case? Is a White even allowed to answer that question without being told that he can't possibly understand? Maybe not. So when I ran across this four-minute video of a Black Bishop, from what I assume is a predominantly Black church, I thought I'd listen.

Not surprisingly, he talks about Blacks, God, and the Civil Rights movement. He also touches on abortion, gay marriage, and the Democrat party as it affects other Blacks.

I found it to be a powerful four minutes. I urge you to watch it.


I can't think of any way to refute him. Could a Black Christian on ATS tell me what they think of this? And if you don't happen to be Black, does it touch you as well?

For me, I hear a sincere and religious man speaking truth. I really admire him.

With respect,
Charles1952




posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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The Black Bishop in the video makes the point that the Democrats have equated homosexuality with being black, which is 'an outrageous lie'.

He states that anyone who equates gay rights to the persecution suffered by the blacks is exploiting the black community and that to equate opposition to same sex marriage with opposition to inter-racial marriage is an insult to human intelligence.

He is a good speaker and he makes a lot of sense. What right do the Democrats and the 'so called' gay rights movement have to hijack the black civil rights movement when many blacks oppose same sex marriage?

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posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 03:46 AM
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Dear ollncasino,


He states that anyone who equates gay rights to the persecution suffered by the blacks is exploiting the black community and that to equate opposition to same sex marriage with opposition to inter-racial marriage is an insult to human intelligence.

I'm right with you on that. I get the feeling that the Blacks are having their history twisted and used in an attempt to get emotional support for a very controversial position on gay marriage. That seems to fit in with the idea that Blacks are just being used in the belief that they will never desert the party. That's almost treating them as sub-human, without dignity or freedom.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 04:05 AM
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^ahahahaha @ this guy, " When our founding fathers bequeathed us this nation, they bequeathed it on the freedom of the American people, and sovereignty of the American people."

Nope, the founding fathers would have owned you. If you were free most of society still didn't treat you like a human being.

Lets see how George Washington treated his slaves;











Paid GOP neo-con shill, nothing to see here. Move along.

And there's nothing worse than a black person trying to deny others equal rights.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 04:23 AM
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I was hoping that this might speak to you. And I was hoping you'd respond to his message in this video.

And there's nothing worse than a black person trying to deny others equal rights.
His point was that it was wrong to compare the gay rights movement to the civil rights movement. That sounded reasonable to me.

I don't think calling him a shill adds much to a discussion of the validity of his message.

Perhaps this has nothing to do with it, but do you see yourself as a Christian? If not, I can understand your response a little better.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke

Paid GOP neo-con shill, nothing to see here. Move along.

And there's nothing worse than a black person trying to deny others equal rights.



It could be argued that there is nothing worse than the gay rights movement trying to hijack the black civil rights movement when the majority of blacks oppose gay marriage (Link).

What right do you, the Democrats or gay pressure groups have to tell black people how to think?



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 06:16 AM
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What right do you, the Democrats or gay pressure groups have to tell black people how to think?


What right do you, the Republicans or anti gay pressure groups have to tell black people how to think? And gays have every right to use the civil rights movement because they are an oppressed minority. And the civil rights movement wasn't just for blacks but rather all oppressed minorities in this country. Blacks just happened to be largest group of minorities.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 06:21 AM
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His point was that it was wrong to compare the gay rights movement to the civil rights movement. That sounded reasonable to me.


Blacks were a oppressed minority gays are an oppressed minority so how was he right? This so called preacher needs to go back and relearn what the term civil rights means.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by buster2010

What right do you, the Republicans or anti gay pressure groups have to tell black people how to think?



I'm not.

59% of African Americans oppose gay marriage.Link


Originally posted by buster2010And gays have every right to use the civil rights movement because they are an oppressed minority.


Gay pressure groups do not have any right to claim moral legitimacy by liking them-self to the civil rights movement.

Most African Americans oppose gay marriage, as do most people in the USA as a whole, including other minorities.

Gay marriage thrown out by all 31 U.S. states where it has been put to vote

Most white people, black people and minorities don't support gay marriage.

As the black Bishop said, to liken same sex marriage with opposition to inter-racial marriage is an insult to human intelligence.


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posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Maybe E.W. Jackson is living in the present and looking toward the future.

Rather than dredging up the past...over and over and over.

That said, history does need to be learned so it doesn't repeat itself, but to constantly use it as a means to feed guilt...

Sorry, I'm guilt free and sleep quite soundly at night.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by buster2010
reply to post by charles1952
 




His point was that it was wrong to compare the gay rights movement to the civil rights movement. That sounded reasonable to me.


Blacks were a oppressed minority gays are an oppressed minority so how was he right? This so called preacher needs to go back and relearn what the term civil rights means.


I ask this honestly.

If I don't know a person is gay, how in the hell can I oppress them?

The LGBT community crosses all boundaries of races, religious and ideological boundaries.



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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I was hoping that the Bishop would provide a bridge, perhaps additional understanding between Blacks and Whites, at least among Christians if no one else. I'm sorry you didn't approach this in that spirit.

I'm old enough so I don't have to impress anyone anymore, or be afraid of them. But I am not going up to that man and telling him " This so called preacher needs to go back and relearn what the term civil rights means."

Are you really saying that he doesn't understand what the Civil Rights movement means? Or are you just saying, I want him to think like I do on the subject of gay marriage? Oh, and "so called preacher?" How do you justify that?

Blacks were a oppressed minority gays are an oppressed minority so how was he right?
First, everybody is part of some oppressed minority. Second when you claim to be oppressed because your most likely bad treatment is a frown, or a quiet comment, you have no right to claim oppression. He's right.



posted on Oct, 1 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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I'm real confused here.. are you a slave owner from the 1700s? Did you sign the deceleration of independence? Are you George Washington? If not then why are trying to claim you're supposed to feel guilty? I'm not talking about you, you seem to have an ego problem. Get over yourself. You have 0 connection to the FF. You have 0 relevance to what I was talking about.

Oh yeah that's right, you want to re-write history because it offends you. Get over it, the founding fathers were not demi-gods. For anyone to say that they were freedom fighters is historically inaccurate. As most of them had no problem owning humans like cattle and exploiting them for financial gain.

It's funny, if you talk about how great they were you're patriotic but if you mention they were slave owners/sexist/racist you're "dredging up the past". Whatever that is supposed to mean. It's the only time stating historical fact is called "dredging up the past". If you can't handle all of history then learn none.

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posted on Oct, 1 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by TDawgRex
 


I'm real confused here.. are you a slave owner from the 1700s? Did you sign the deceleration of independence? Are you George Washington? If not then why are trying to claim you're supposed to feel guilty? I'm not talking about you, you seem to have an ego problem. Get over yourself. You have 0 connection to the FF. You have 0 relevance to what I was talking about.

Oh yeah that's right, you want to re-write history because it offends you. Get over it, the founding fathers were not demi-gods. For anyone to say that they were freedom fighters is historically inaccurate. As most of them had no problem owning humans like cattle and exploiting them for financial gain.

It's funny, if you talk about how great they were you're patriotic but if you mention they were slave owners/sexist/racist you're "dredging up the past". Whatever that is supposed to mean. It's the only time stating historical fact is called "dredging up the past". If you can't handle all of history then learn none.

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You are assuming things concerning my views. I am an avid fan of history and learn from both the good and bad examples. And I look at it with a unjaundiced eye. My ego has nothing to do with it.

I am also in no way defending slavery of that era. But it's a fact that they owned slaves.

I equate bringing up that they were slave owners in today’s age is quite like putting a dead man on trial. It really doesn't solve anything. That's what I refer to as "dredging up the past" as it just redirects the conversation and muddies the waters.

I prefer to act in the present and plan for the future though, using lessons learned from history...so that things are not repeated.

It seems to me that the Bishop is saying much the same. It seems to me that you just don't like the idea of others voting other than Democratic.

I've also seen you post how both parties are corrupt, but in this case you seem to be specifically defending one of them.





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