Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by AthlonSavage
Yes, but if materialism is evil and leads to suffering, why try to hang on to life at all, and shouldn't death be a celebration?
I'm not asking you this because you don't seem to hate materialism, it seems like you are saying just don't be attached and enjoy life. Most people
think that way.
I'm trying to address the ones that demonize material reality but still want a "material" heaven with "things" in it...
and even ideas are a part of physicality... this is a good point against idealism being an argument to materialism in the textbook sense.
However, we are still not referring to textbook materialism are we?
I couldn't get you to answer me but you go right ahead and vaguely answer someone else. I knew it's in there somewhere.
Who are these people demonizing materialism in the *complete* sense, not just the shopping too much sense?
People on the internet? People who are thinking about suicide? Who? Obviously by your own admission you are referring to *someone*... and I am just
trying to learn more about that so I can give you my reflection on what I think is making that person/people tick.
If you ask us what we think about this, you must expect us to either already relate to this, know somebody who does or can at least imagine relating
I am having an extremely hard time relating to this because it's like telling me to imagine thinking physics are evil. I have absolutely no idea why
I would ever think physics were evil but I do think materialism is evil... Greed, hoarding, waste... but there were complaints with my first
interpretation of materialism.... so now I am stuck wondering who in the world thinks the physical laws are evil.
Let me put it to you like this. You strike a lot of different ideas with where you're going. I once noted that in carbon, which is our culprit
element for traces of life, There are 6 neutrons, six electrons and six protons and yes it was a bible discussion.
Would you consider me guilty?
Maybe it's not the design itself that I suspect, maybe it's the ingredients... and I think problems with life forms are more unfortunate than they
My point in that discussion is what if the beast is referring to our carnal nature and this should serve as a warning to rise above it and explore new
understandings of what we think reality is.... whereas God as in "Dunamis" is referred to as pure energy... not just an elemental prone to other
organism consumption.... but like you even say, that's still energy and still not downplaying the entire scope of physical laws.
I could go on and on about that but I am explaining multiple different ideas here that could paint close to what you are referring to since you are
looking for opinions on what this could entail but it's really not easy to relate to.
Are you referring to people who want to commit suicide?
To not want to feel at all is the closest thing I can think of and it is still related to the Buddhist relation to suffering. Stillness is what comes
up as answer to suffering.
I think when people push off ideas like this, they are either suffering and want it to end or they are unhappy and this is their way of complaining.
I'm not saying that is wrong but I don't think it is a "worship" I have never in my life met anyone who would say "I think the physical reality
is totally evil and I think that there should be nothing.... ever"
that's not to say I haven't heard people talk that way but they were just really depressed and trying to express it.
Sometimes you get caught in the wheel thinking about the strife between dark/light good/bad and it all seems the same.... and always attached... it
does appear firmly attached and this dread of a lack of progression in reality and an evil endless vortex is a depressive mode of thought. It is a bad
I really wish you could refer to who it is that is "training themselves" as you did definitely put it to let go of everything and have no emotions
or anything because where this is going, I have some serious thoughts about. You're not giving an angle and you might really be selling yourself
If you know someone that talks like this and you're chalking it up to "dearth worship"... like they chose to feel this way, I think you really need
to take a closer look. You might be missing something really important.