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Originally posted by GoldenRuled
20 yrs ago, things were just the opposite. The beetles lost most of the country in fans because of 1 derogatory remark they made about Jesus. It is just amazing how this country is going with the wisdom of DC guiding us whether we like it or not to a prosperity we already had. Bring on the persecution!
***Angela Hildenbrand faced the very real possibility of going to jail for her faith. The trouble began when a federal judge ruled that no one at her Texas high school could pray or even use words like "prayer" or "amen" during the 2011 graduation ceremonies.
As class valedictorian, Hildenbrand felt God deserved the praise, even if it meant jail for her.***
CBN Newsedit on 29-9-2012 by GoldenRuled because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jimmiec
Allowing any right to be taken away, whether you agree with it or not opens up the probability of a right you enjoy to be taken away. Be careful what you ask for. You might get it.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MrXYZ
The constitution in no place guarantees "freedom from religion", you just made that up. What the Bill of Rights does guarantee is the free exercise of religion, commonly called the "free exercise clause".
edit on 1-10-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The establishment clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. It enforces the "separation of church and state."
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MrXYZ
And congress made no law requiring religion, the school didn't require religion, and you provided nothing from the Bill of Rights that guarantees "freedom from religion", which was your assertion. You only have the establishment clause and the free exercise clause. That's it. And the school violated the girls free exercise of her religion, which she has a constitutional right to as a citizen.
Originally posted by jimmiec
reply to post by MrXYZ
Well your Athiest, Why would Christianity bother you any more than say, me not liking fat women? Ok so i am offended by fat women!! Ban Obesity! If your so caught up in being an Atheist then you just made it a religion. I don't like your religion. Ban it! You have a right to believe whatever you want. Guess what? So does everybody else! You take away their right to believe whatever they want, you take away YOUR right to believe whatever you want. It's not rocket science.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MrXYZ
And congress made no law requiring religion, the school didn't require religion, and you provided nothing from the Bill of Rights that guarantees "freedom from religion", which was your assertion. You only have the establishment clause and the free exercise clause. That's it. And the school violated the girls free exercise of her religion, which she has a constitutional right to as a citizen.
The mere FACT that the government can't promote religion in general means that freedom FROM religion is guaranteed at publicly funded places...like schools. If government money's involved, religion has no place. And that doesn't just include Christianity, it means ALL religions.\
I take it you never took a law class?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Let's see where the constitution guarantees "freedom from religion".
Originally posted by LeSigh
reply to post by MrXYZ
The government ISN'T promoting religion here. A student referenced her own beliefs. Huge difference. And students BY LAW are allowed to express their religious beliefs in public schools. They can pray, read their holy books, and talk to others about their beliefs so long as they aren't disrupting classes or bullying others.
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Let's see where the constitution guarantees "freedom from religion".
It doesn't allow the promotion of ANY religion...by its very definition that's freedom of religion. Sorry you don't like the fact that the US isn't a theocracy
Originally posted by MrXYZ
Originally posted by LeSigh
reply to post by MrXYZ
The government ISN'T promoting religion here. A student referenced her own beliefs. Huge difference. And students BY LAW are allowed to express their religious beliefs in public schools. They can pray, read their holy books, and talk to others about their beliefs so long as they aren't disrupting classes or bullying others.
It's a graduation ceremony...sponsored by the government. How on earth is that not the school allowing the promotion of a certain religion