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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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Dare I say it?

Negative Eugenics. (Selective NON-Breeding)

It has been proven to work.




posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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Exactly,.. It is pure laziness that makes people live like this!

I am getting really annoyed now, working as hard as I can, earning my money and yet not being able to afford half of the things some people on benefits have.

I've had the same phone now for over 2 years, nothing fancy but it does the job. Myself and my gf are down to one car now. we used to have one each, but when we got together and with the way the taxes and the prices of petrol etc are going, it made more sense to get rid of one. We had no problem doing this, our work places are close to each other so no need for two.

We rarely have a night out or a couple of days away anywhere. can't afford it so we don't do it. we'll save up for 6 or 8 months, a few euros here and here then maybe get a weekend away.

We know we don't have money to throw around and we don't overspend where we don't have to, while some of our neighbours getting money from the government have the newest phones, multiple cars and seem to be heading somewhere new every month...

Ah the joys of being a taxpayer!



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by cahlmac
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Exactly,.. It is pure laziness that makes people live like this!

I am getting really annoyed now, working as hard as I can, earning my money and yet not being able to afford half of the things some people on benefits have.

I've had the same phone now for over 2 years, nothing fancy but it does the job. Myself and my gf are down to one car now. we used to have one each, but when we got together and with the way the taxes and the prices of petrol etc are going, it made more sense to get rid of one. We had no problem doing this, our work places are close to each other so no need for two.

We rarely have a night out or a couple of days away anywhere. can't afford it so we don't do it. we'll save up for 6 or 8 months, a few euros here and here then maybe get a weekend away.

We know we don't have money to throw around and we don't overspend where we don't have to, while some of our neighbours getting money from the government have the newest phones, multiple cars and seem to be heading somewhere new every month...

Ah the joys of being a taxpayer!


EXACTLY.....you summed it up perfectly through your experience, you work hard and spend effectively. I haven't had a holiday in over a decade...I have a flip phone that is from 2006....my motorcycle is 1983 that i bought for 500 and rebuilt....I use it because it gets wonderful gas mileage....I have a 1989 miata because it was a hand me down from dad who was upgrading in 2004. We choose to live frugal because it is the right thing to do, to work hard because it is what we were taught...We are effectively raising an entire generation that believes living off the government and doing nothing IS the way of life......SERIOUSLY??? I remember the greatest generation, those that fought wars, gave up what they had for the common good and lived on rations even though they had money to buy more....That is the attitude that makes a society great.....this will not do it....but then what can you expect the governments that give this this entitlements are also doing the same by spending way more than they have, so how could we expect a government to cut off the welfare if they are on welfare as well?



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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There are people in the world that get "it" and there are people that don't.....

"It's" all relative anyway.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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Wholeheartedly agree with the OP. You should perhaps have not given them the silent treatment, instead it might have been a good time to impart some wisdom.

QUIT LETTING THEM NANNY YOU YOU STUPID LAZY PIECE OF [snip]




posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Samuelis
Wholeheartedly agree with the OP. You should perhaps have not given them the silent treatment, instead it might have been a good time to impart some wisdom.

QUIT LETTING THEM NANNY YOU YOU STUPID LAZY PIECE OF [snip]



I actually agree with this....people do things because they can, if we ignore rudeness, it emboldens them to be rude all the time to everyone....there is no reason we can't call people on what they are doing, maybe a few embarrassing interactions will wake them up (doubt it, but it doesn't hurt)......why should hard working individuals bite their tongue towards lazy worthless individuals? I guarantee that I will start speaking up, and if i offend a welfare baby that is buying candy with foodstamps and cigs/booze/lottery tickets with cash, so be it.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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I'm in the US. A relative of mine was going on about filing for more benefits (already on a few) and I pointed out that he didn't need it. They did okay with what they had (when the wife worked). He pointed out that he qualified for it and it was "free money". Now at that pointed I was miffed and pointed out that it wasn't free money, it was my money! I get screwed annually on taxes and we both worked at least 40 hour weeks. We shop at second hand stores to make money stretch. And we have no debt, just the 12 year mortgage.
I partly blame the media though. TV tells everyone that they should have this and that, want, want, want, eat, eat, eat, more, more, more. When will a person be satisfied with the simple things? A walk in the park, movie rentals, sitting on the back porch?
We don't have much but we have what we need and were happy. It's sad for THEM and they don't even realize it.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by hqokc
I'm in the US. A relative of mine was going on about filing for more benefits (already on a few) and I pointed out that he didn't need it. They did okay with what they had (when the wife worked). He pointed out that he qualified for it and it was "free money". Now at that pointed I was miffed and pointed out that it wasn't free money, it was my money! I get screwed annually on taxes and we both worked at least 40 hour weeks. We shop at second hand stores to make money stretch. And we have no debt, just the 12 year mortgage.
I partly blame the media though. TV tells everyone that they should have this and that, want, want, want, eat, eat, eat, more, more, more. When will a person be satisfied with the simple things? A walk in the park, movie rentals, sitting on the back porch?
We don't have much but we have what we need and were happy. It's sad for THEM and they don't even realize it.


Nailed it.......nothing more needs to be said, except Thank You.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:17 PM
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not working in itself is not bad as i feel you should not make contracts of any kind with people you do not personally know, however, if you have someone you care about and/or are responsible for you should at least try to provide for them. that is not to say people should not learn self sufficiency, because that is good for anyone, however, don't complain about seeing others who are simply living in a different manner, because you are simply feeding your own ego and making yourselves feel "superior".
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:23 PM
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I love this thread. It's so annoying to see this all the time. So many women who think they are entitled to things they don't work for. I know two different women back home who both have 5 children. Both on benefits, one has a job. The other does not. The one with the job has a deadbeat boyfriend, father of 4 of the children. The other has a boyfriend who actually does work, hes father of 2. I'm only bring them up because both women waited to have there fifth child so the state could pay to have their tubes tied!! I heard it from both of the mouths. It just sickens me.

I do have to say that I did have WIC to help with my daughter. Getting absolutely no help from the father, I did need it. But I worked right up until the day I had her. I went back to work 2 weeks after she was born. And I DID NOT stay on WIC. I ended it early paying for her formula and baby food myself, after I had worked my butt off to get good. I just keep thinking Of what my daughters sperm donor family kept saying. "get food stamps!", "get HUD", "it's free". I just couldn't do it. My only thought was to people who really needed it, and the two women taking advantage already. I apologize of this is hard to read, it's on my phone.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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The same poster said it isn't their fault, it is the government for allowing it......INCORRECT.....lazy people are lazy because they choose to be....I would absolutely hate myself for sitting home all day drinking beer, watching tv and getting fat.....that truly disgusts me, I enjoy doing things, bettering myself, helping others. living off the government tit and choosing to not do anything because the option is there is the individual's fault, just like choosing a greasy cheeseburger over a salad if you are 400lbs....You can choose to make something of your life.


thats exactly how i see it as well.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:47 PM
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I have people at my job that dont want to work full time because they can work less than 15 hours a week and collect unemployment and benefits from previous jobs held.

Its really getting sick, but when i am 55 at least i will be spending my time building a cabin in the woods and enjoying life thanks to personal retirement savings, unlike the welfare reliant citizens who will be praying their kids don't turn out like them so they will at least have somebody to change their diapers in their one bedroom HUD apartment.

I mean, how do you expect to appreciate the money and things you have when you dont earn it through your own effort? I mean we seriously wonder why there is a severe lack of good character present in our society.

Technically, these sad individuals use innocent children as ransom to the state, "Pay me or the baby starves!".

For the record though i do believe those benefits truly help many individuals, there is just the same percentage that take advantage of the system making it harder for those who are having hardship thrown on them to get assistance before its too late.
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 11:00 PM
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All those mom's living off the system .... yeah they're probably pinning their hopes on their kids to take care of them when there to old to have anymore .... can you feel my eyes rolling?
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 11:07 PM
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I'm glad this is in the rant section.

I don't understand how you can seriously call this crap a social "system" when it's obiously not working.
Just throwing money and foodstamps at the unemployed isn't helping anyone and it surely isn't a system.
It's a bad joke and an insult for real social systems.

How are these people not put into occupational retraining programs, if there really is a lack of work in their respective areas of expertise?
How are they not getting temporary service suspensions when they refuse to get back into work?
And why do they even behave like that in the first place? What happened to their work ethic?
I feel like, although we have less unemployment, lazyness and parasitism per se are much more ostracised here.

No wonder some people dislike social systems when this poor excuse is what they see.
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posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by Sinny
Grates on me! I work constantly, and I cant afford ANYTHING.

And that is exactly why I don't work for slave wages. I see no reason to work if I'm not getting a fair return on that work. I simply have better things to do with my time. I wasn't put here on Earth to waste the majority of my life working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, and having virtually nothing to show for it at the end of my life. I refuse to give into this rat race mentality, the increasingly lower wages, the increasingly longer hours. Goods continue to rise in price yet wages don't keep up. And you can blame that on wall-street and the Federal Reserve and all the other criminal banks involved in the undermining of the economy.

I absolutely and utterly refuse to accept this system where the rich continue to get richer whilst the poor continue to get poorer. I will not play into their system, I will not be submissive and sit back and take what ever they hand me. How far will we let it go before we decide enough is enough? We are literally at a stage now where people are fighting over minimal wage jobs because it's so hard to get a job and everyone is willing to work for bread crumbs. The system is rotting from the inside out, it's fundamentally flawed. I will not meekly accept these injustices, nor will I perpetuate a mindset of ridicule towards those who refuse to be used as human cattle.

Now I think there's a very important point here which needs to be emphasized. I refuse to work for low wages, but that doesn't mean I don't work. I constantly work on a multitude of projects, things ranging from the coding of open source programs to the writing of ATS threads. How do you think a lot of open source software gets created? By unemployed programmers who have some free time. How do you think a lot of ATS threads get created? By unemployed people who have some free time. Of course that's not always the case, but it's true a lot of the time.

It's true that we aren't getting paid for this work, but does that really make it any less valid? We are still contributing a lot of great stuff to society, free stuff by the way. In reality I hardly ever sat around and did nothing when I was unemployed, I was always working on something or doing something productive or educational or thinking up innovative ways to make money. For the record I'm currently operating my own small business and do not receive government benefits. But for those people who just do nothing all day and get paid for it, clearly they are not helping anyone.

But we must keep in mind that there are lots of valid reasons to have Government benefits, it helps support many people who suddenly find themselves out of work for some reason. It helps people get by in times of need, it's a way for each of us to help others when they are in need. Just because some people abuse that system doesn't mean the system should be destroyed and leave every man for themselves, that just doesn't seem very humane to me, it's barbaric imo. Having a certain limited degree of socialism is healthy I think.
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posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 02:31 AM
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I live in the US as well and have heard and seen many similar stories to the
ones already written here, one of my favs was in Illinois, a man on a very
nice Harley was at a gas station, he gassed up his maybe 2 year old bike,
couldn't tell but my guess was either brand new or very very new, wearing
his leather Harley biker gear that costs a friggin fortune and buying some
beer and cigs as well, he whips out his EBT card to pay for it all.....

EBT is the same card they use for food stamps but in some states you
can buy almost anything with them even booze and smokes.....

the problem i have here is not helping people out at all, i dont want you to
starve and your kids to not have clothes or even you to be without transportation
of some kind, what does bug me is somehow the word necessities now
apparently includes cable, internet, alcohol, cigarettes, and many other
things that are wants and not needs....

i agree that it needs fixed and with a quickness, give the people who truly need
it food and basic things, even the internet would be ok if they have kids, as
schools now days might as well require it because they ask you to use it so
often for homework and the like.

many others have stated you can live healthy and just fine off of much less,
but it is not fair to ask for the same thing as those of us who do actually put
work into our lives, i am also of the mind that menial jobs are FAR FAR too underpaid.
ive stated this before in another thread but its pertinent here as well. i dont
live above my means, i dont make much money but im happy where i am
for the most part, i own my car outright, dont have any debts, and have money
to spend every now and again to do little things here and there on a tight budget.

i dont get to own new cars or brand new cell phones, the fastest internet or best
television package (i dont really watch tv anyway, its for my father in law)
but you know what? i eat well and every day, i have a car that runs and drives well,
and should i lose my job i can still keep that car and cut my cell phone to a
pre paid service since i own it out right with no contract.

the only things im honestly missing is being able to afford medical care of
any kind really, that stuff is so expensive and insurance for it is so high as
well that im stuck in horrible spot there, that needs fixed as badly if not
more so than this topic id say. and yes it does burn me up to see these
folks that refuse to work and are able get medical cards that i don't
have a chance in hell of ever getting because i make too much money.
yet i don't make too little to pay in......

honestly things like social security are a good example of why things
get so broken, a good idea destroyed by those who felt they had a
right to take money set aside by all of us tax payers for one thing
and use it elsewhere and then when it causes the issue we have
now of being hard to fund because guess what? they took the funds
and used them elsewhere, they act as if those who are claiming
it are mooches as well, no those people payed into it and with
the understanding that once they retired they would get that
money back, otherwise they could have simply saved it or
created a community held retirement savings fund where
all money is put into a savings account and earns interest all
your life and then you get the lump sum you saved
back, at least then it wouldn't have been wasted.
but there again that would make sense......



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 03:12 AM
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I'd like to add to the thread from a slightly different POV, I'm unemployed and classed as unfit for work but before you all get the meat cleavers out and head for me I HAVE worked and damn hard too, I left school, was on the dole (UK benefits) for 6 weeks, I hated it, I wanted to buy stuff and I got my first job and worked from that year to the day I became unfit to work, I've worked longer than a lot of people on here have been alive.

I don't get any fancy high rates of incapacity allowance, I just get the basic money a job seeker gets, my wife is a carer which is a poorly paid job. We also have a 12yr old daughter, we get by, its bloody hard, I don't like many work on the side, because of what is wrong with me (see my sig) I'm a recluse but who are the government picking on with the change over in benefits, the mobs of lazy but fit 17+ yr olds or me, a 52 partially disabled man.

This is where I come in line with you working people, I watch these people wander around day in day out dripping in gold and the latest designer ware, they deal drugs, rob, they make no effort to work, I've been at the job centre when they come in, its all mobile phone while talking to the advisor and actually saying "you can't make me BLEEPING work" and off they go yet you see them going down to the job office to sign on a few weeks later.

Then we have the supposed single parent families here, basically a routine passed down through the scum ranks, it goes like this, get up the duff, have a child, try to get a flat off the council, didn't work then have another kid, flat then given and then claim as a single person while moving the dad or the latest boyfriend in. When asked who the dad is they say "I can't remember I was drunk" or "he took off" or and I love this one "I'm not telling you who he is".

Needless to say the house is lavished in all the latest tech, Sky full service, parties galore, drugs galore..

And the last type we have here are the religious millionaires, the ones that say because of their religion that they cannot say no to children, again this is a tried and tested system used to avoid paying out of your own pocket. 7 - 10 kids later they have a super glam state property, the husband if there is one does not work and the state gets to pay for every thing.

The link is that all these are manufactured products, people who are following a system that has worked for family and friends before, its tried and tested fraud.....

And before I get any nonsense for suggesting I'm pointing at Muslim people can I make two points, my in-laws are Muslims (I'm not but they still love me to bits) and a genuine Muslim is bound by the Quran to only take on wives and children they can afford to support as the man, HE must support, not anyone else!

So there we have it, age old systems developed and abused by many while others suffer, sadly they only do it because they can, it seems governments are too lazy to identify the leeches, we should think seriously about limiting the number of children that get paid for on benefits, yes its a radical idea but we have to get to the notion of "If you can't feed them then don't breed them", young people SHOULD be made to do some sort of work for their money, young women who refuse or simply don't know who the dad is should be made to stay with their family and not given free housing for getting up the duff early.

I'm sorry but the excuses like "I was drunk", "my man does not like to use condoms", "its against my religion" should not be valid in this day and age. Young and dumb is not an excuse and should not be rewarded.

But you say, you are claiming benefits, well yes I am but I paid in for a damn long time, I don't cheat the system and I hate being dependant on it and if it makes anyone feel better its the likes of me who the DWP attack first (and are at the moment), same as the old and badly incapacitated, the first in the attack while all the usual suspects walk around fiddling the system to the max.

I feel so damn sorry for the people who pay tax and see their money frittered away by politicians too gutless to plug the gaps and too crooked to stop helping themselves, I feel sorry for tax payers watching the system being stripped bare by frauds indigenous or not, I feel sorry for those paying tax because the presure is being put on YOU to work harder and longer to pay for these people.

The system stinks....Get us out of he EU, shut the doors and lets start weeding out ALL the cheats, British or not, all colours and creeds. Lets make it right for ALL those paying tax, a thief has no religion or colour, be they born here or not they are still thieves. I say this because I've actually heard people here say "well I was born here I deserve to get some of the action", sorry mate, you don't!



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 03:46 AM
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Where were you when your peers were being educated?



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 03:51 AM
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Originally posted by jaws1975
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So you think that because you had to get several part time jobs to make ends meet, everyone else should have to do the same? That mentality is what allows the Government to keep exporting our good jobs overseas leaving jobs like Taco Bell cashier in the U.S., it's a failed plan. As long as people continue to blame the poor, the corporate controlled Government will continue the Totalitarian tiptoe.






That mentality is what gives you dignity, self respect and the sense of acheivement of doing

things for, and supporting your own, and the impetus for doing better for yourself and family!



posted on Sep, 30 2012 @ 04:16 AM
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I am sorry, i feel for some of you unemployed but i cannot honestly say i have sympathy for all of you. I know a fair share of those out of work that manage to get by through "other" means and i have to say you guys spend as much time rationalizing why you don't want to work and contribute to this $h*ttY system as you do reaping the benefits of a capitalist society! That pretty shampoo bottle didn't just come from a robot that was miraculously wished from thin air, that cleaning product that wipes up the dogs pee wasn't something made en masse by an alien and materialized on earth for your pleasure. You people have to realize EVEN BEING A CASHIER IS A STEP UP FROM DOING NOTHING!

The attitude that even being a cashier for taco bell is a bad thing is the mentality the super rich LOVE to see among the plebeians, it means groups of people willing to simply give up at rock bottom and just complain about the system instead of taking the first few steps necessary to leave your mark. Forever slaves.

I have watched droves of people simply give up, blaming society and other people for their woes saying it will never work out, i have also seen the most down and out people make strides in their life that lead up to them eventually supporting their entire family on their own.

The world is full of 100000000000 random possibilities every single day and nobody does themselves any favors by having some elitist mentality that the system is broken and does not work for anybody, its your attitude that is broken, the system is what it is, you have to learn and adapt or stay at the bottom contributing nothing except text on the internet, which to be fair may help other people get up off their butt and do something.

But you can not seriously stand there and cast negative sentiment on our society while you sit in lethargy regarding contribution to the very luxuries you enjoy every day( yes internet IS a luxury, cable IS a luxury, heck even pre-packaged sweets ARE a luxury! )
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