Virginia man kills family and himself over fear Obama would be re-elected

Sounds spotty, but if true...As if it mattered who won the presidency, sh*t even the whole concept of one man speaking for millions and millions of people is really freaking mental. The whole dam population needs to be checked up, all there talking points is just circular logical failures.

And really listening to a business like fox news or any of the other networks and your taking it dead serious, well then you have serious issues and you need to get your head checked and your sh*t in order. The only real job that they and certain people all over the place, even online, and even on ATS have, is to keep such bickering relevant and in the front light. And not cause it matters, but because really truly it doesn't matter. Its all just there to keep people looking at the left hand while the right hand does something else. Its distraction tactics, its dangling carrots on a string in front of the work horse.

The best thing you can do is get rid of the whole thing, the second best thing is...Not to take it so dam serious, after all its just theatrics.

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Interesting that Virginia DMV would lose information from 2001, especially since it was DMV cameras operating on the interstate near the Pentagon on that 9/11day when so many strange things happened. George Allen who was governor at the time has done quite well in the Republican ranks since then too.

They wouldn't want to lose some footage or something, would they?

Republican, Democrat, Conservative, Labour, Republic, Monarchy - it means nothing to the average working person who is struggling in this world today and neither are better or worse than their opposite.

This is a tragic story and may be the individual had been suffering from mental illness, or may be things had got so bad he saw no way out, but could not bare the thought of leaving his family behind by taking his own life. Either way this is a tragic story that above all else, highlights the desperation of the average working family in not just America, but across the planet.

Did a thread about this shooting be for. Here is the link to the thread VA family shooting.
It contains a bit of info on the area.

Originally posted by manna2
so, I am bewilered and aghast at this dilemna.
What is crazier, I mean bat#, I think I am a fried egg kind of crazy.

Someone who kills their family over fear of who will be elected?
Or someone that believes that is the cause?
Or WORSE YET?
Someone who believes that a network news agency is to blame?

Dang if there are those here that actually believe this stuff. Believe it enough to sell it and get this.....many more jump in and believe it and sell it too! Really! I kid you not!

Now can we have a sing-a-long?
"I'm a little tea pot, short and stout..."

Ummm........beautiful, absolutely beautiful......I really did'nt want to comment in this thread, but your post was the most salient point made in this whole debacle...........What I cant believe is that so many ATS'ers still buy into the paradigm. The OP just made himself into a media-whore mouthpiece and fails to see how that occured. As some other posters have pointed out, the more likely scenario is that something in his work or his wifes work either caused this tragedy or was a major player. Think for a moment about what these defense contractors were working on and these are only the "approved for general consumption" projects. My guess is that he and his wife knew about and possibly were going to whisper about something that scared the hell out of them......again just speculation.......but it wouldn't be the first time someone had the gun placed in their hand, or were programmed to act out a certain scenario......or died of exposure, wandering around Wilmington in a daze.....To me, these are the more likely lines on how this should be speculated, this being ATS and all, not some drival that was regurtated somewhere in the MSM...........

Also, just in case you have forgotten.........isn't "media" one grand propagandic illusion, designed to cause certain salavitory responses in those that digest that particular...................pap?.............Hmmmmm?

YouSir

Originally posted by Grimpachi

A Virginia man allegedly killed himself and his family earlier this week in part because he was upset by the thought of President Barack Obama being re-elected.

“They were very well off people and they saved a lot of money,” she said about the Petersons. “He couldn’t understand how the government could be so irresponsible and he thought it would be on the backs of his boys.”

To me this is a direct result of the irresponsible fear monger journalism that is constantly being broadcast by the likes of Fox news, Hannity, Rush, and others where the whole story is almost never told. The man obviously had mental problems but people trust the news especially when they tout that they are Fair and Balanced when in actuality it is far from the truth. You would be surprised just how many people believe the propaganda they are being fed. This is indeed a tragedy.


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I watch Bill O'reilly(sorry if I misspelled it) and Hannity from time to time, and they do not tell people to kill themselves and their families because Obama could get reelected. You have taken a tragedy and spun it to fit your own political beliefs. The fact is that both the conservative and liberal medias lie and spin stories equally.

The article said the family was well off, but I can clearly see that one of them was not.

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I will ask that you read the thread because I have already covered what you are implying.

It is amazing to me that Rap and rock music, video games, and movies will be blamed for a myriad of social issues but people cannot draw the connection between irresponsible reporting (doom porn) and the effects it can have on society as a whole and especialy in this case a mentally unstable person.

Who ever "Maggie L" is I know she does not live in the neighborhood.

Originally posted by Staroth
The article said the family was well off, but I can clearly see that one of them was not.

Indeed, well off is just what most people assume your life is like when money is no longer a problem.

Then you just off yourself due to political possibilities and the winner of the last reality show.

No one is ever well off we'll have problems till the day we die.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by Antonio1

 

I will ask that you read the thread because I have already covered what you are implying.

It is amazing to me that Rap and rock music video games and movies will be blamed for a myriad of social issues but people cannot draw the connection between irresponsible reporting (doom porn) and the effects it can have on society as a whole especially and in this case a mentally unstable person.

edit on 1-10-2012 by Grimpachi because: fix

I don't blame Rock or Rap for social issues. And the fact is that this man clearly had a number of psychological problems before he killed his family. It is over simplistic and just plain wrong to blame any news outlet for this man's insanity. Both left and right wing media outlets deal out tons of "doom porn". I read your entire post, TWICE, and my point still stands. You are trying to spin this incident in favor of your own political beliefs. Like I said, I watch Fox from time to time, and I'd also like to add that I watch CNN and even Steve Colbert and John Stewart occasionally. They all deal in so-called doom porn equally. But at the same time, there is nothing that any of them say that would make a sane person kill his family. Only an insane person would do such a thing, and Fox news was only the trigger, not the cause of his insanity.

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Yes...Right Wing media these days appeals to paranoia and fear. Glen Beck was a classic example of this.

Do they happily sell fear and paranoia to further a political agenda? Yes...

BUT....I have no doubt if not Fox News et al. this mentally ill man would have obsessed on some other apocalyptic theorey.

They are about as culpable as the bartender who feeds his patrons drinks without concern of who might be driving home. They tell themselves, if it wasn't me making money of this drunk, it would be the bar down the street, not my problem.

Originally posted by Antonio1

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by Antonio1

 

I will ask that you read the thread because I have already covered what you are implying.

It is amazing to me that Rap and rock music video games and movies will be blamed for a myriad of social issues but people cannot draw the connection between irresponsible reporting (doom porn) and the effects it can have on society as a whole especially and in this case a mentally unstable person.

edit on 1-10-2012 by Grimpachi because: fix

I don't blame Rock or Rap for social issues. And the fact is that this man clearly had a number of psychological problems before he killed his family. It is over simplistic and just plain wrong to blame any news outlet for this man's insanity. Both left and right wing media outlets deal out tons of "doom porn". I read your entire post, TWICE, and my point still stands. You are trying to spin this incident in favor of your own political beliefs. Like I said, I watch Fox from time to time, and I'd also like to add that I watch CNN and even Steve Colbert and John Stewart occasionally. They all deal in so-called doom porn equally. But at the same time, there is nothing that any of them say that would make a sane person kill his family. Only an insane person would do such a thing, and Fox news was only the trigger, not the cause of his insanity.

Well I am very glad you do not blame music, movies, or video games for these things and neither do me but you and I completely disagree that they have no influence at all. If that were true advertising would serve no purpose. Be truthful. Furthermore there are many people that would disagree with you that they hold no sway. I do have political views but if you would please point out in this thread where I am spinning this to my political beliefs I would appreciate that. I take it that you feel that I am unfairly attacking right wing media and I disagree.

My opinion is the right wing media outlets are the biggest offenders of promoting doom and I challenge you to prove me wrong. You say you read the entire thread twice so I assume you also watched the video where Hannity states it will be The End of America As We Know It if Obama is reelected. So you do not find that as hyperbolic? If you find that position as truthful then I have proven my point. So please back your statements up.

My assertion is that you see this as an attack solely on the right and it is not. This is an attack on all media but in this case directed towards the right because the man committed such a heinous act for fear that Obama would be reelected and I find it absurd if not downright ludicrous that he did not form those opinions from what has been asserted by the media.

Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

Yes...Right Wing media these days appeals to paranoia and fear. Glen Beck was a classic example of this.

Do they happily sell fear and paranoia to further a political agenda? Yes...

BUT....I have no doubt if not Fox News et al. this mentally ill man would have obsessed on some other apocalyptic theorey.

They are about as culpable as the bartender who feeds his patrons drinks without concern of who might be driving home. They tell themselves, if it wasn't me making money of this drunk, it would be the bar down the street, not my problem.

A bit off topic here but in my state if a bartender knowingly serves you too much alcohol and lets you drive home without calling a cab or trying to stop you and you get into an accident resulting in someone’s death the bartender and establishment can be held liable.

But I get your point.

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This is obviously drastic but for my part, if Obama is re-elected, my family and I will be leaving the USA and you Obamanoids can go....well, guess!

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Uh yeah, watch what you say about anti-depressants that actually work.

I'm on Green Meanies (Prozac) and it actually curbs my suicidal thoughts, so saying this tragedy was a direct cause of the medications doesn't exactly mean they were.

Originally posted by TheToastmanCometh
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Uh yeah, watch what you say about anti-depressants that actually work.

I'm on Green Meanies (Prozac) and it actually curbs my suicidal thoughts, so saying this tragedy was a direct cause of the medications doesn't exactly mean they were.

Prozac actually helped me quite a bit, Id like to still be on them but I dont have the money and the Dr requires a visit for refills.

Originally posted by Grimpachi

A Virginia man allegedly killed himself and his family earlier this week in part because he was upset by the thought of President Barack Obama being re-elected.

“They were very well off people and they saved a lot of money,” she said about the Petersons. “He couldn’t understand how the government could be so irresponsible and he thought it would be on the backs of his boys.”

To me this is a direct result of the irresponsible fear monger journalism that is constantly being broadcast by the likes of Fox news, Hannity, Rush, and others where the whole story is almost never told. The man obviously had mental problems but people trust the news especially when they tout that they are Fair and Balanced when in actuality it is far from the truth. You would be surprised just how many people believe the propaganda they are being fed. This is indeed a tragedy.


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This is the result of an idiotic psycho who should have never procreated doing something psychotic. No excuses for someone like this.

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

Yes...Right Wing media these days appeals to paranoia and fear. Glen Beck was a classic example of this.

Do they happily sell fear and paranoia to further a political agenda? Yes...

BUT....I have no doubt if not Fox News et al. this mentally ill man would have obsessed on some other apocalyptic theorey.

They are about as culpable as the bartender who feeds his patrons drinks without concern of who might be driving home. They tell themselves, if it wasn't me making money of this drunk, it would be the bar down the street, not my problem.

A bit off topic here but in my state if a bartender knowingly serves you too much alcohol and lets you drive home without calling a cab or trying to stop you and you get into an accident resulting in someone’s death the bartender and establishment can be held liable.

But I get your point.

Oh I agree...and I think Fox News et al. is culpable...but only in as much as the bartender who serves the drunk driver.

There is an "If not for...then X" line of logic. If not for the right wing fear mongering...would this man have snapped? If not for the bartender serviing the driving drunk...would he have crashed into oncomming traffic.

There is a case to be made that the drunk would have gotten his next drink at the bar down the street if he was cut off...or that the mentally ill man would have obsessed about some other form of apocolypse if the right wing media didn't spout the paranoid BS it does.

It doesn't make the bartender in the "right"...his actions have consequences...he is culpable...but not "responsible" for those that the drunk driver kills.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Grimpachi

Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

Yes...Right Wing media these days appeals to paranoia and fear. Glen Beck was a classic example of this.

Do they happily sell fear and paranoia to further a political agenda? Yes...

BUT....I have no doubt if not Fox News et al. this mentally ill man would have obsessed on some other apocalyptic theorey.

They are about as culpable as the bartender who feeds his patrons drinks without concern of who might be
driving home. They tell themselves, if it wasn't me making money of this drunk, it would be the bar down the street, not my problem.

A bit off topic here but in my state if a bartender knowingly serves you too much alcohol and lets you drive home without calling a cab or trying to stop you and you get into an accident resulting in someone’s death the bartender and establishment can be held liable.

But I get your point.

Oh I agree...and I think Fox News et al. is culpable...but only in as much as the bartender who serves the drunk driver.

There is an "If not for...then X" line of logic. If not for the right wing fear mongering...would this man have
snapped? If not for the bartender serviing the driving drunk...would he have crashed into oncomming traffic.

There is a case to be made that the drunk would have gotten his next drink at the bar down the street if he was cut off...or that the mentally ill man would have obsessed about some other form of apocolypse if the right wing media didn't spout the paranoid BS it does.

It doesn't make the bartender in the "right"...his actions have consequences...he is culpable...but not "responsible" for those that the drunk driver kills.

My mom used to say this......

"If your friend told you to jump off a cliff, would you do that?"

Yes, she told me that when I was about 7 years old.

I guess some adults haven't learned that yet.