Virginia man kills family and himself over fear Obama would be re-elected

You claim the man had mental problems. Unfortunately Obama is destroying our country as fast as he and his commie friends can, and this man couldn't deal with it. Expect more of this as people see their beloved country destroyed before their very eyes. It is sad and tragic and some of us feel affected in ways we cannot fix. It is that kind of despair which is directly caused by Obama's narcissistic insanity and incompetence, and his hatred of America, our Constitution, and our traditions.

What is even more sad is people here characterizing a man in despair as being far right and Fox news brainwashed.

Who is the more brainwashed? A person who sees no way out of this, or the people who support the maniac-in-chief and his insane policies?

msm proganada and fear being pushed by both parties have claimed another victim.

being the news, it's probably 1% true.

the part he killed himself and his family.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
Do you know how many people think that Hannity, O’Reilly, and even when he was on Glenn Beck are factual reporting and are telling the truth. Many many people do not realize that they are part of the spin side of Fox. I am sure they’re still people that Rush is telling the truth as well.

Do not underestimate the ignorance of their target group. This man obviously had mental issues but to think he was not influenced by media…well you can believe what you want.

edit on 29-9-2012 by Grimpachi because: add and refrase

Maybe he was influenced by the factual disarray of this administration and it's policies together with the general fact that illegals are pouring over the borders and getting jobs Americans should have, and if this guy is underemployed and cannot get any good jobs should tell us something about what is really going on here. I do not sympathize with his actions, but I think the cause is deeper than just news reporting or some liberalese idea that Republicans are rich neocon schmucks who are unbalanced. This man came unhinged for a reason. Or he may have been paranoid schizophrenic, but we do not have that information and people are yapping their flaps giving a diagnosis.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
How many times have you heard a fox news pundit state that if Obama is re-elected it would be the end of America? I do not even know how they can be considered journalists.

Wow, OP. This is a scary and depressing thing to hear about. People NEED perspective here. Now more than ever, with all the anxiety over 2012 and the sheer mass of media and shysters looking for ways to play on it for fear, ratings and money.

It's obviously a point of open debate, and not my intent to go there beyond saying I agree Obama's re-election is a real ..ahem..real.. bad thing. But suicidal? Homicidal??? Absolutely not!! What is the worst? Absolute WORST case scenario here?

..and BOTH sides say this happens if the other wins...so flip a coin based on that. We have financial collapse. What does that look like? 1930's? No.. Worse.. actually... but NOT to get suicidally depressed over. Hungary saw it after 1989. There is a modern, real world and real life example of what collapse looks like........even that WORST case.. everyone will live through it and we'll recover eventually.

As fun as the doom porn is to debate, I hope no one here lets it get to them like the OP story describes!

Perspective...Indeed. If it won't matter to anyone 100 years from now, then it's not worth killing or dying over now...even on this small personal 'gone postal' level.

If a nut bag murders his family and kills himself because of an irrational fear of ghosts..... Do we blame the show 'Ghosthunters' and 'Paranormal State'?

Irrational fears can be fears of a lot of common things, that's what makes them irrational. He could have had an irrational fear of home improvements just as easily. Would we blame HGTV for him going off his rocker?

Originally posted by randomname
msm proganada and fear being pushed by both parties have claimed another victim.

being the news, it's probably 1% true.

the part he killed himself and his family.

Right on the money!

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Just a correction: The wife apparently worked for Blackbird Tech.

The husband was an employee of Northrop Grumman until he resigned in 2009.

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So they both worked for the military industrial complex, either directly or indirectly, yet he thought the POTUS was the problem because of what other people said. Yeah, I'd say he had mental problems.

First off, he WAS part of the problem that he saw as other people being a part of. They are, but so was he, and he obviously failed to realize it, or he did and his conciense finally got the better of him. Just because people higher up than him contribute to the problems of this society doesn't make them more responsible. Everyone, this man included, are all equally to blame because they all contribute in their own way. A car isn't going to move without ALL the wheels in place.

People blame the media and the health system. I blame people who don't want to man up and take responsibility for their own actions, which this man obviously didn't do. Blaming other facets of society is just a cop out IMO. If you feel that you can't help bring about the change you feel this country needs, that's fine. Not everyone feels they can or are in a position to. That's understandable. What's not understandable is getting in the way of the people who feel they can instigate positive change. People like that are as much a part of the problems as the people who help make the problems.

Again, if you feel you can't help in a positive way, understandable. Just get out of the way of the people who can, so change can come about. And if that means taking yourself out, then so be it. I'd rather it not have to come to that because good people, weak or strong, are hard to come by these days. We need as many as we can get.

If it makes people feel any better, look at it this way. A good, yet weak, man took himself out so good, yet strong, men have less obstacles getting in their way of affecting positive change. He made the ultimate sacrifice for his country.

Besides which, who the f*** cares who next POTUS is anyway? They're not in charge and everyone who has a brain knows it.

Maybe his family would be still be alive if he didn't have access to guns...

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Albiet a tragity, it's not really the fault of FOX News or Rush Limbaugh that this man did this. It was his own stupidity. While, yes, the closed right wing media environment does a lot more harm than good, it's not those lying 's fault that this man snapped and decided that he was going to off his family out of fear of Obama being re elected.

Sure, they as a matter of course report falsehoods as fact, and never bother to do any real fact checking about it. And it's true that they only seem to confirm stories that make the president look bad with people from their own little closed knit bubble. It's not their fault some people have something mentally wrong with them.

The main problem the conservative news junkies in this nation have is that most of FOX News's schedule isn't actual NEWS, but OPINION, and they really don't bother to put a disclaimer at the start of it telling their often gullible audience that what they are about to hear and see is opinion and not real NEWS.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
You claim the man had mental problems. Unfortunately Obama is destroying our country as fast as he and his commie friends can, and this man couldn't deal with it. Expect more of this as people see their beloved country destroyed before their very eyes. It is sad and tragic and some of us feel affected in ways we cannot fix. It is that kind of despair which is directly caused by Obama's narcissistic insanity and incompetence, and his hatred of America, our Constitution, and our traditions.

What is even more sad is people here characterizing a man in despair as being far right and Fox news brainwashed.

Who is the more brainwashed? A person who sees no way out of this, or the people who support the maniac-in-chief and his insane policies?

edit on 29-9-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

This is a tragic story, however we can expect to hear and hear more of these types of incidents as it becomes clear that Obama will win a second term.

Posts like the one I quoted above just add more fuel to the fire, combine a mental disorder or depression and you have the recipe for the perfect tragedy. Such as this one.

America is becoming more and more divided, the GOP is shifting more and more to the right to where now, if a president even says that he wants everyone to have access to healthcare, he will be labeled a Socialist or Communist.

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
Maybe his family would be still be alive if he didn't have access to guns...

Maybe his family would still be alive if he had been locked in a rubber room.

Believe it or not, people have accomplished murder/suicides without using guns.

Now I have a question for you. How would the task of keeping him from getting a gun be accomplished? Heroin is completely illegal in my country and there are no fields of opium poppies growing around here, but if a 15 year old kid has money, he can buy it within a mile of my house. The dealer doesn't ask him for ID.

Guns would be no different.

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I have seen you spew this drivel in many threads now, and honestly I'm surprised how posts like yours get stars. I guess people really are brainwashed as you say.

I just hope that all those poor people suffering from depression or a mental imbalance don't come across your posts, because they might take them seriously.

What spend money on SICK people? Not to mention Mentally SICK people? No we'd rather spend money on "things" that go boom and kill people. Not me. I say stop spending money on wars, banks and things and spend the money on people. It is time to change the paradigm and put people first and f$#king corporations are NOT PEOPLE! I agree with you whole heartedly, mental health needs to be funded properly!!

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The right and common sense thing is never done my friend. We see it everyday from our bosses and those in charge. Our elected officials are the same way.

What disgusts me most is when people from the middle class or people who are just barely getting by, support a party and policies that does nothing but cater to the rich and corporations. They blindly support a party that will only create more hardships for them.

We continue to drown ourselves in debt because of our enormous military budget, wars and overseas military bases. Yet our elected officials would rather use our tax dollars to bail out banks, and than allow them to foreclose on homes owned by the same people who's money was used to bail them out! They look to cut programs that benefit the elderly, the unemployed, and the uninsured. They want to raise taxes on the middle class for their own failure in managing the tax money they take in. In the mean time insurance companies, oil companies and corporations are taking advantage of influencing and dictating government policies that create nothing but war and hardships on the average American.

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I think you need to take a step back take a deep breath and examine the facts.

The right wing has generally been the one leading the charge in accusing media of causing thing such as:
Metal bands for teenage suicide.
Blamed Marilyn Manson for occult style murder.
Blamed rap music for cop killings, teenage pregnancy, drug use, and the glorification of gang violence.

Here we have a case where a man kills his family and himself because he feared a second term for Obama. Anyone that thinks right-wing media fear-mongering didn’t have anything to do with this would only be lying to themselves.
So I ask does media influence or not?

I do not hear MSM or NBC or CNN claiming that "If Obama Is Re-Elected, it’s The End Time in America as We Know It" however Sean Hannity does. In one form or another almost every single day. This man needed help and if you think the idea the world would end as we know it didn’t come from right wing media I just have to say wow. You are just lying to yourself.

I am attacking the media in this thread and I have not said one thing about who people should vote for but I guess it is easier to attack a person’s views than to address the issue. The media has taken their rhetoric too far.

I am saying the media has a responsibility to report the news and not insight fear and anger with an irresponsible narrative. People can make up their own minds on where the country is heading they do not need to be told what to think. In my mind a news organization that touts a narrative of fair and balanced has a responsibility to be just that.

Of course you are entitled to your own opinion but if you are going to accuse me of exploiting something for political gain you should try to back it up instead of cutting and pasting something I said completely out of context. My argument is against the media and there that their fear mongering has consequences in this thread I made that clear. To say a news organizations narrative does not influence goes against common sense or there would be no purpose in having a narrative at all.
Ultimately this man killed his family and himself but his reasoning came from somewhere. The fact is there are many many people in this world who need help the messages that are broadcast in the news and on the radio do shape these peoples outlook on life. If you deny that then I ask what the point of advertising is. I would like to see responsible sane journalism restored but I am getting the impression from many of the people on here that they like it just the way it is.

Before anyone says. B-b-b-b-but MSN or NBC is …….. ! I agree and have already said that on the first page my argument is the right wing media outlets are the most extreme and biggest offenders of this. If you can show proof that I am wrong I ask that you please do but please stop with the deflections.

I live in the town this happened in. No joke.

I even know of that blackbird technology building close by. Very sad story.

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This is a tragedy. But nothing constitutes a blatant disrespect for human life like this. What we have first is this man's despicable act of murder perpetrated against his own family. The reason speculated upon is moot.

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Thanks Wrabbat I think you get what I am trying to convey. This shouldn’t be a complete right or left issue but I think we can all agree that some media networks push the envelope and it seems many people do not realize that there are many people out there that are vulnerable to such things.

Would he have killed his family and himself if such narratives were not being broadcasted day after day?

I think he wouldn’t have but this issue is definitely up for debate and should be debated with an honest straightforward approach. It seems many people on here disagree but that is why this thread is here so I am curious to see what the general consensus is.

Many issues could be discussed here.

The current mental health system.
The Medias responsibility in reporting facts without inciting fear.
The current laws for evaluating someone’s mental health. (I know here in Florida it is very hard to have someone committed for a psychological evaluation.)


Ignoring the past is condemning the future!

Ignoring what has happened will only invite more tragedy.

reply to post by Grimpachi

Would he have killed his family and himself if such narratives were not being broadcasted day after day?

I absolutely applaud the thread and it's a good thing to be discussing on this, of all dates. I think the radicalism on all sides to this election is also deeply intertwined with the 2012 stuff. If only at a subconscious level for some. It's all rolled into the same ball of anxiety or...for those losing perspective....far more. Even the commercials book ending the political news segments are as likely as not to be carrying 2012 messaging for sales of this or that. It's all inescapable through December at this point.

So, personally, I'd like to see the over-the-top hyperbole and outright padding of the truth by media from all sides back down several notches. I've never seen it like this in my life and however bad I thought polarization could get, it's worse in actuality. It's like 1865 without the shooting out there...and sometimes WITH IT!

People are told gloom and doom stories if Obama wins or Romney wins...tales of total ruin and societal collapse on par with Rome and Greece.....then TV has a special on 2012 Doom prophecy up next or the movie itself...can't beat that for death and destruction on the ultimate scale.

What bookends the news isn't their fault....but the Media, in my opinion, can absolutely temper their own reporting and approach to be factual with just a bit of lean if they must......not spinning like the Tasmanian Devil to the right or the left as it happens....and shredding facts like the cartoon shreds anything in it's path.

As the story here shows..some people are listening and take all this far too literal for their own and everyone else's good health.

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You know I didn’t even think about the 2012 angle in all of this. I haven’t watched much TV lately especially the news because I have gotten sick of the rhetoric from both sides. I mostly read a few articles from different websites each day and usually post a few but since you brought 2012 prophecy thing up I have a feeling we may be seeing a lot more of this as it gets closer.

I really hope the news networks take notice and tone down their Rhetoric while they can but I think I may be hoping for too much. I will be keeping an eye out for more stories like this but I hope I am wrong and this is just an isolated incident.

BTW good call didn’t even think about that. Maybe we need another return to sanity rally I would go this time I was in Honduras during the last one getting my Dive Masters certification. It is so much cheaper there and the Coral reefs are beautiful. Funny thing you ask the people down there about the 2012 predictions and they look at you like you are retarded.