Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
We either stand for what's right or we don't - the ends don't justify the means
Torturing is inhuman
Torture doesn't work - however, enhanced interrogation does not equal torture.
To the untrained and unqualified (this includes our illustrious leader BTW) muscle fatigue, fear, hunger, and sleep deprivation are "torture". You
have to understand to that people have different breaking points - take for instance our Operators.
While I might indeed get a person off the street to tell me everything they know with some intimidating looks some fake legalese and threats - to
break a well trained and/or highly trained operative you need more tools.
Muscle fatigue, hunger, and sleep deprivation help to lower a person's ability to think clearly and coherently enough to maintain a complex set of
lies - i.e. a cover story. To people who are in the business these things are part of their training so they are used to them. What to a person on
the street might be unbearable these type men think of as a challenge or training....
So you need some more advanced tools on hand to get them into a complaint or less resistive manner. One of those main tools is fear of the unknown.
While everyone has a different point of breaking (and a different emotional trigger) the only thing our POTUS did when he announced to the world we
would no longer use enhanced interrogation is take away that main element. Fear of the unknown is the best tool an interrogator has. The subject has
to believe that you will credibly act on any threat for the threat to have any effect. He has to believe you have no boundaries at all...
The point I am getting at is that most men never have to be taken beyond the threat to be broken for it is the fear of being completely at your mercy
that will make them talk. I don't think people realize how infrequently these methods were actually used and the level of approval required to use
them. I am no longer privy to such things but in my time in the business I'd estimate it was used on less than 1:100 of the prisoners.
I can assure you most detainees are already quite compliant when captured - it’s called the "shock of capture". However, letting them get some
sleep and a good meal is not going to do anything but make them comfortable and more resistant. We aren’t going to let them starve or go crazy
from lack of sleep but until we get what we need, we most certainly are not going to let them get comfortable.
For those who are going with the thinking hunger, muscle fatigue and sleep deprivation are forms of torture have never obviously been Soldiers. We
experience them all the time. Lopping off body parts and crap is torture, a water boarding is stressful and scary – no more.
If you are going to limit interrogations to asking nicely I am afraid you won't get much information...
I am afraid that all taking away the fear of the unknown does is ensure that every detainee has to be taken to his actual physical and mental breaking
point because now they have no need to fear anything less.
The threats that were good enough to break 99:100 men are gone which means more will have to be “outsourced” and ultimately actually tortured by
horrible men (who in most instances enjoy it) in places most would never dreamed to exist.
So the opposite of the intend goal was achieved – the end result is more pain and suffering not less. Again, the fear of these things used to be
enough - now that fear is gone.
Uncle Barry is not as innocent as he (or his media worshipers) would have your believe.