Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Yah tell that to the Viet Cong
The Senate and all its Committees are controlled by Democrats. They can instantly stop any thing they don't like. The Amendment was prepared, at least in part, by Democrats, then they overwhelmingly voted for it.
I guess you forget that republicans co wrote the amendment. You try so hard to make it a democrat only issue.
What is this "it" you're referring to? This was, at most, the beginnings of a discussion on what advice to give Romney about a year ago.
It was written by Romneys administration. The one that's going to be in the white house if he wins. End of story.
We don't know who his advisors will be.
Mr. Bradbury, who declined to comment, was one of 18 lawyers on the Romney campaign’s national security law subcommittee when its “Interrogation Techniques” paper was circulated.
The list also included Michael Chertoff, the former homeland security secretary; Cully Stimson, the Pentagon’s detainee policy chief; and many other Bush-era executive branch veterans: Bradford Berenson, Elliot S. Berke, Todd F. Braunstein, Gus P. Coldebella, Jimmy Gurule, Richard D. Klingler, Ramon Martinez, Brent J. McIntosh, John C. O’Quinn, John J. Sullivan, Michael Sullivan and Alex Wong. Three others — Lee A. Casey, Maureen E. Mahoney and David B. Rivkin Jr. — served in earlier Republican administrations.
Michael Chertoff (born November 28, 1953) was the second United States secretary of homeland security under President George W. Bush and co-author of the USA PATRIOT Act.
John F. Lehman, Jr. (born September 14, 1942) is an American investment banker and writer who served as Secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration and in 2003–04 was a member of the 9/11 Commission.
Michael Vincent Hayden
He was Director of the National Security Agency (NSA) from 1999 to 2005. During his tenure as director, the longest in the history of the agency, he oversaw the controversial NSA surveillance of technological communications between persons in the United States and alleged foreign terrorist groups, which resulted in the NSA warrantless surveillance controversy.
On May 30, 2006 and again the following day at the CIA lobby with President George W. Bush in attendance, Hayden was sworn in as the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.
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Jim Talent, In 2001, Talent worked for Washington lobbying firm, Arent Fox, earning $230,000. During this time Talent was not allowed to directly lobby Congress, and he was not licensed to practice law in Washington, leading some Democratic opponents to accuse the lobbying firm of using his appointment as an illegal conduit to donate toward his upcoming Senate race
Vin Weber He is a member of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and was one of the signers of the PNAC Letter sent to US President Bill Clinton dated January 26, 1998, advocating "the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power" along with Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and 29 other notable Republicans.
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Romney then says "That was the beginnings of a discussion. When they finally gave me the actual memo, not that piece of garbage you're reading from. I insisted on following American laws and stayed with that principle, I will not violate American laws on torture, nor will I violate American laws by avoiding the requirements of the War Powers Act, nor will I kill American citizens by drones."
If I were Obama in the upcoming debate - I would read this memo aloud and then ask Romney what the reasoning is, then refer back to the memo again, to reveal that the reasoning isn't reasonable, nor the least bit in congruent alignment with American principals.
I agree we know who his advisors are but we're guessing on who they will be. I suppose I shouldn't have mentioned that since it doesn't bear directly on the issue. So, what about the rest of my post? May I take it you agree with the parts you didn't object to?
We don't know who his advisors will be.
So far, Mr. Romney has had the good sense not to follow this recommendation–at least not to a T. But in December he said he supported “enhanced interrogation techniques which go beyond those that are in the military handbook right now.” And he has said more than once that he favors waterboarding, a so-called “enhanced interrogation technique” which the United States government considered torture until the Bush administration decided it was not.
As I just said,
Are you playing dumb or what? We already know who his advisers are, we already know what they are like. They all have a long neo-con political history. This memo was written by them. Are you seriously trying to pretend you do not know what Micheal Chertoff is like?
I'm trying to tell you that the politics of the people writing the draft aren't as important as the results. And as I have pointed out, repeatedly, that was just a draft, and we know nothing about what happened after that.
I suppose I shouldn't have mentioned that since it doesn't bear directly on the issue. So, what about the rest of my post? May I take it you agree with the parts you didn't object to?