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Topic started on 28-9-2012 @ 09:23 PM by CALGARIAN

OTTAWA - Would-be Canadians will be required to submit tangible proof of how well they speak English or French beginning this November.


ca.news.yahoo.com...

About time.

Honestly, there are so many store owners here that cannot speak English. (I'm sure their Husband can, but the women running the store at night don't) in sooooo many cases.

How do you plan on contributing to society if you cannot speak English (or French)
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reply posted on 28-9-2012 @ 09:43 PM by bobs_uruncle
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Hmmm, one good decision in 60 years or more? That's something to applaud, realistically it is a good decision, but a smarter decision would have been to curb immigration until such time that the unemployment level went over say 2%. Close the doors until we needed them open, that might have been a plan and maybe we wouldn't have double digit unemployment right now or what is turning into a majority services-only based society. Change the immigration rules maybe, so that people with a skill set that was immediately required (due to job openings that couldn't be filled by people already here) were allowed in with their immediate family, meaning wife and kids, not ever ef'ing relative under the sun? Hey, how about this one, rather than give the immigrants $2,600 a month and all the perks, why don't we give the $1,600 the government gives to our pensioners, to the immigrants and the $2,600 to the pensioners. You know, the people who actually worked here for 50 years and helped build our society?

It's too little too late, our politicians have screwed us over by catering to the corporations rather than the people they allege to represent. Personally, I'd like to see them all hanging from lamp posts (after a trial of course). No offense OP, but the government really pisses me off.

Cheers - Dave
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reply posted on 28-9-2012 @ 09:44 PM by Bleeeeep
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Why do you think this is fair? It looks like discrimination to me.

Moreover, why must one be obligated to contribute to society in only the manner that is agreed upon - or at all?



reply posted on 28-9-2012 @ 09:46 PM by loam
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Because the alternative has demonstrated itself to be completely unworkable.

Good for them.


reply posted on 28-9-2012 @ 09:58 PM by zonetripper2065
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Probably because this current way isn't working? Atleast the Canadians have sense enough to set a rule without fear of hurting feelings. I don't find it that hard to swallow, as a clerk at a 24 hour store I can tell you language barriers really slow down productivity.


reply posted on 28-9-2012 @ 10:10 PM by generik
i agree, about time they did this.

for one thing maybe with this we can save billions on having to have interpreters (provided at no cost), for anything governmental. now many will moan about the "poor immigrants" that will have issues because of this. well tough. if you want to move somewhere don't you thing you should be able to communicate? seriously lack of ability to speak the language used causes major issues on a day to day basis.

it is not a minor thing not being able to communicate with more than a small group of people. for one thing it causes confusion which tends to build up to hostility (sometimes within one conversation), which can lead to racism and bigotry against each other. heck i have even been told that I should be able to speak THEIR language, since i was working in THEIR area.

ever try to use a six year old to interpret for you about mechanical things? i have and it doesn't work. this can actually lead to DANGEROUS SITUATIONS. i once sadly watched a lady loading her 6 or 7 kids into a van that was extremely unsafe for both her and anyone else on the road because, i could not get her to understand that her brake system was practically non-functional. something i found out after applying the brakes and finding them so bad that i achieved a stop by running into equipment, (the speed i was driving didn't even register on the speedometer. we pushed that van out of the shop). but i had to watch helplessly as she and her kids piled into it and drove away, after trying to communicate to her the danger for several minutes that ended in her screaming at me, because i could not speak HER LANGUAGE. i wonder if she ever crashed and killed all her kids or someone else. all because she did not know the language.


reply posted on 28-9-2012 @ 10:42 PM by EvilSadamClone
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Moreover, why must one be obligated to contribute to society in only the manner that is agreed upon - or at all?


How can one be a contributor to society if they can't communicate in the given society's most common language?


reply posted on 28-9-2012 @ 10:51 PM by discordantone
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Of course it's discrimination. That's kind of the whole point of immigration policy. Just as I discriminate against some by determining they are not worthy of coming by for a BBQ, Canada gets to make the same call as to who we want to let in.

Speaking the language is pretty basic stuff. If they can not walk into a government office, grocery store et. and communicate in either official language then how in the hell are they ever going to manage day to day life, let alone a job?! The one caveat would be true refugees, but that is far different from ordinary immigration. At the end of the day, being discriminating is just part of being human and usually held in high regard as a trait.

We did the right thing in this case and yes, about time, indeed!


reply posted on 30-9-2012 @ 01:32 AM by beezzer
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If I chose to communicate in the form of interpretive dance and flatulence, then is it really discrimination if Canadians want me to speak their language instead of mine?



reply posted on 30-9-2012 @ 09:49 PM by EvilSadamClone
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Except that in America English is the most common language spoken, but some are forced to learn Spanish to accommodate the Hispanic population. For example, California requires schools to teach Spanish instead of required Hispanics to learn English.

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reply posted on 1-10-2012 @ 04:31 PM by The Old American
Originally posted by CALGARIAN

OTTAWA - Would-be Canadians will be required to submit tangible proof of how well they speak English or French beginning this November.


ca.news.yahoo.com...

About time.

Honestly, there are so many store owners here that cannot speak English. (I'm sure their Husband can, but the women running the store at night don't) in sooooo many cases.

How do you plan on contributing to society if you cannot speak English (or French)
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I don't know anything about the immigration issues of Canada. This seems to be a defense against people that can't speak English or French, but can only speak ________. What's in the blank?

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