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U.S. Move to Give Egypt $450 Million in Aid Meets Resistance

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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 11:53 PM
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I see what this post is about now, crucify Obama, no dissenting opinions allowed, no posting of historical context. Just go along with Neo's opinion and everything will go fine.

I find it amusing that when the GOP gave aid to Egypt, in far greater amounts, it was all fine and dandy, no complaints from you there. Obama? OMG he is the antichrist and how dare he send aid to Egypt, even as the country under goes a revolution and change of government. We'll just pull up stakes and withdraw into our isolationist turtle shells, at least until the GOP are back in charge and foreign aid is once again promoted by the same war hawks in the GOP now complaining about it.

Good luck with your myopic rant. Apologies for trying to interject some context into the discussion.
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 12:06 AM
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The only "context" that was interjected in this thread was partisan hackery that was about ending ALL foreign aid.

The myopic "rant" interjected Isreal,Bush,Gop about a practice that this nation can not afford.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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Context is demonstrating aid to Egypt over the past several years, in dollar amounts, for comparison. Context is also showing aid to Egypt's neighbor Israel, ostensibly because aid to Egypt is primarily over security and border concerns between Egypt and Israel, and to show the amount of aid for that same period of time.

But none of that is good enough for your post, you wanted a post to rant about Obama and posts putting the OP into context are clearly not welcome here.

Some more context:
Obama: pledges $1 billion to "aid Egypt's transition to a democracy".
Bush: $1 trillion in "nation building" in Iraq's "transition to a democracy".
Bush again: Another $1 trillion in "nation building" in Afghanistan's "transition to democracy". (how's that going?)
Bush yet again: 3 billion in aid to Egypt annually every year he was in office, and that was in peacetime.

If you're going to talk "foreign aid" then you have to put it ALL in perspective and context - you can't just isolate one example (450 million to Egypt) and pretend it's an isolated incident.

If you want to argue "END ALL FOREIGN AID" then you are embracing the argument of ending Pax Americana, the "nation building" and the schemes of "Plan for a New American Century", the dominion of the United States over some of these nations, when our "aid" is sometimes more than their GDP. I have no problem at all with that, in fact have argued for it many time - but then again, "Pax Americana" was never a Dem thing either, that comes from the Cons.

It's a self-serving and highly hypocritical argument coming from the GOP, who embrace Foreign Aid when it suits them but it becomes taboo under a Democrat.

McCain blasts conservatives on foreign aid


Sen. John McCain scolded some conservative Republicans for trying to strip foreign aid from Egypt and Libya after attacks on diplomatic facilities in those countries left a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans dead.

“Of course I think it would be incredibly foolish,” McCain, an Arizona Republican and leading defense hawk, told reporters Thursday as he left a closed-door Senate Intelligence Committee briefing about Tuesday’s attacks that was attended by CIA Director David Petraeus.

“Only someone who doesn’t understand anything about that part of the world would suggest such idiocy,” he said.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 12:51 AM
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Doesn't average daily Americans need aid?


When will Americans get a bailout?

Why cant we take care of America first?



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 04:25 AM
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It`s not really up to the president though is it?
I thought only congress had the authority to raise money and decide what to spend it on.

people make a big deal about presidential elections but we hardly ever hear a peep about congressional elections. Those are the guys that have the real power, they make the laws, they decide how much taxes we pay, they decide what to spend our tax money on.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 06:05 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
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Doesn't average daily Americans need aid?


When will Americans get a bailout?

Why cant we take care of America first?



No we can't take care of Americans because when we do it's called socialism and the people that receive the aid are freeloaders who don't want to be responsible for their own lives.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
I see what this post is about now, crucify Obama, no dissenting opinions allowed, no posting of historical context. Just go along with Neo's opinion and everything will go fine.

I find it amusing that when the GOP gave aid to Egypt, in far greater amounts, it was all fine and dandy, no complaints from you there. Obama? OMG he is the antichrist and how dare he send aid to Egypt, even as the country under goes a revolution and change of government. We'll just pull up stakes and withdraw into our isolationist turtle shells, at least until the GOP are back in charge and foreign aid is once again promoted by the same war hawks in the GOP now complaining about it.

Good luck with your myopic rant. Apologies for trying to interject some context into the discussion.
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Remember when the GOP gave money to Egypt their lapdog Mubarak was still in office. Now someone who was backed by the "evil" Muslim Brotherhood is in office so now aid is a no no.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 07:14 AM
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I don't know what it is but there's got to be a connection between Hillary, Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the $450 million.

Morsi received an engineering degree from The University of Southern California and was a professor at California State University, Northridge California.

I had done a bit of background reading on Morsi regarding his connection to the Clintons but it appears that info has been scrubbed.

When you connect this to Hillary and her personal aide Huma Abedin, and Huma's mother's being an influential member of the Muslim Brotherhood, something just doesn't ring true.

Was the killing of our ambassador a stab in the back of Hill and Obama? They both lied about it for more than a week so to me there must be much more to this "story".



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
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This thread aint about Bush either damn.

For crying out loud this is about ending foreign aid maybe some people need to stop whining about Bush for once.

Guess that really is too much to ask



You do miss the point thats being made however. Although i do agree that foriegn aid should be cut, in the past there has been much more money spent on these people so why start another one of your biased threads and then ignore it when someone points it out?

The way i see it, egypt isnt jewish enough for our money or the support of the ignorant.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 07:40 AM
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Aren't we broke? How the hell do we keep spending and giving sooooooo much money away? Oh wait, nevermind, I forgot we just keep printing it.

Alan Greenspan: WE CAN ALWAYS PRINT MORE MONEY


And why are we giving monies to the Muslim Brotherhood? That can't be a good idea, right?
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 07:51 AM
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But in 2010 Egypt wasn't ran by a terrorist group.


On topic why cant I get my part of this I need a "infusion" in my bank account to. Oh wait Im a american I dont qualify


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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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You know what foreign aid really is?It's the poor people of a rich country giving money to the rich people of a poor country. For the most part that's what it is. Funny how there are certain narratives you rarely hear about when talking about reducing spending. Foreign aid being one of them, the astronomical defense budget being another.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by BiffTurkenton
US aid to Egypt is nothing new. The Republicans in Congress are only making this an issue because it's an election year. Back when they were in charge they gave a LOT more to Egypt. I would suggest that it was the AIPAC faction in Congress that are making the biggest stink about this, as they have been hyping up FUD over the "Muslim Brotherhood" ever since the Arab Spring. Mubarak was their boy, bought and paid for with all that former aid money. Must be feeling gypped with him getting booted and now they got to start over from scratch. Too bad.


How is this a "Republican" issue? To me it's an issue that everyone should be paying attention to. Haven't you noticed that things have changed over there? Yes, the US for years have been giving Egypt aid/money, but you seem to forget at that time Egypt was an ally at the time. Now Egypt is not, thanks to obama sticking his nose in. So what is the problem with stopping all aid? Give money to people that hate us? Does that make any kind of sense? If your against us, then no money. If your with us, then you get money, what is so hard about that?
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by TFCJay
Maybe Egypt should start selling off some ancient artifacts for quick cash.

The US has better things to spend their money on.


I like that. Do you have a pick up I can borrow? I want to get one of those pyramids for my front yard as a conversational piece. Maybe you could help me load it up.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Oldnslo

Was the killing of our ambassador a stab in the back of Hill and Obama? They both lied about it for more than a week so to me there must be much more to this "story".


Why do you and others jump on the band wagon and accuse O & H of a coverup? As a government they have to be careful of what they say. They have to document what they say. They can't just go out screaming whatever is popular like some do ( the ignorant masses), That would damage their reputation. How ever if one is out to bad mouth the prez they'll use any chance they get. Right?



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by Tardacus
It`s not really up to the president though is it?
I thought only congress had the authority to raise money and decide what to spend it on.

people make a big deal about presidential elections but we hardly ever hear a peep about congressional elections. Those are the guys that have the real power, they make the laws, they decide how much taxes we pay, they decide what to spend our tax money on.


Unfortunately we have a President that seems enamored of Executive directives that circumvent Congress. In addition we have a Congress filled with people who are groveling lapdogs of the President, and not looking out for our nation. Our Constitutional system of checks and balances is out of order and non existant at this point, sigh...
Whilst I am a supporter of Israel, I too say cut all, yes all, foreign aid. Even to Israel, and most especially to countries that despise us. For many of those countries it sure has not helped them, and in fact it seems to have created more dependancy than self sustaining growth.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Doesn't average daily Americans need aid?


When will Americans get a bailout?

Why cant we take care of America first?


AHEM……AHEM……

Didn’t you get the memo?





I got mine last week!




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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 03:41 PM
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I am willing to print as much money as Egypt needs to protect the interests of Democracy. Oh wait that is the Fed's job.......

I have always marveled that a Country (USA) that is in huge debt can go about giving other Countries money..... I can't loan my buddies any money when I am broke, we should do the same as a Country. Call me a rocket scientist but I suspect if we kept our "assistance" in our pockets for a couple of years we may return to a solid economy.



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