So what's your point, that all gays are bad people? Or do you realize that there are nuts in every group?
What's YOUR agenda?
[edit on 16-10-2004 by Jamuhn]
we define female paedophilia as love between girls and adult women which is voluntary and includes sexual satisfaction; it is not a form of domination over other people since it is a form of life in which we have no need to dominate or possess children.
we wish to live without power over children and without the lifeless sexuality of adults. adult sexuality means the destruction of life and the environment. the destruction of the environment precedes the destruction of child sexuality. relationships with children other than those in the permitted categories of family, upbringing, home, and education are either not allowed or criminalized. any attempt to break out of this machine of death is prevented, we consider contacts which involve pressure, coercion, extortion, or prohibition to be incidences of violence rather than paedophilia. those who claim that paedophilia consists of abuse, rape, and sadistic force are furthering the fascist discrimination of paedophile love, for us, however, it is fascist to imprison children in families so that no other kinds of relationships are possible. paedophilia is our only means of preventing motherhood from being the only permitted form of living together with children, we attack the rapist father, but in no way allow ourselves to be forced into a motherly power relationship/dependency. we demand that children be given rights rather than protection, so that they can escape from families which they do not like or where they are mistreated.
the emancipation of women is not possible without the emancipation of children and childhood. a satisfying sexuality cannot be achieved without discussing the forbidden/suppressed topics of lesbian and child sexuality, without abolishing the divisions between body zones, sexuality and tenderness, sexual and non-sexual areas, age differences, and work. they try to separate every girl and woman from her sexuality so that they can later only function as sperm receptacles and mothers.
This manifesto is in the Library of Congress
AN ESSAY ON THE HOMOSEXUAL REVOLUTION
by Michael Swift
THIS ESSAY is outre, madness, a tragic, cruel fantasy, an eruption of inner rage, on how the oppressed desperately dream of being the oppressor.
We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of you shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all-male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us. Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep.
Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too and only man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand with depth and feeling the mind and body of another man.
All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.
All homosexuals must stand together as brothers; we must be united artistically, philosophically, socially, politically, and financially. We will triumph only when we present a common face to the vicious heterosexual enemy.
Saturday, October 16, 2004 Saturday, January 05, 2002
(Coming soon - The Doll Issue.)
It's here at last - Dyxploitation's 7th issue, Blueprint for the Revolution! This is the year of lezzer revolution and Dyxploitation will lead the way into our fantastic shining future! How do we achieve revolution? It's as easy as 1-2-3! To achieve revolution follow these basic steps:
1. Kill everyone who doesn't like lesbians. This is the simplest step, cause we're in America and it's easy to get guns. Don't waste time trying to change people's minds. Just kill them! With those new automatic weapons, it's as easy as pushing a button.
2. Recruit little girls into "the lesbian lifestyle." Since we don't reproduce at a high enough rate to keep us supplied with sex partners, we should go after children. Children make the best sex partners - just ask my fifth grade teacher!
3. Liberate yourselves of the patriarchy's evil fashion schemes by taking off your clothes at all lezzie bars and social engagements. This step is especially important if you live in New York's East Village.
Manifesto for World Domination
by Karen Davies
This was originally written in answer to a question on a European lesbian mailing list.
Someone wrote in wondering if lesbians who occasionally speak of men in contemptuous/derogatory/angry/separatist tones can and should be labelled racists? As you may notice I am a teensy bit touchy on this subject. Perhaps because each time I mention the cruel, despicable things some men give themselves permission to do to women, there is always someone on the list who feels obliged to point out, that it isn't good for me to notice these things, and that women who don't take them to heart live happier lives?
"Can women who speak of men in contemptuous/derogatory/angry/separatist tones be labelled racist?" No, not logically, because the subjugation of women by the males of the species is a global problem and not restricted to any particular race or culture. But then, when did logic ever bother the kind of people who leap forth with accusations of man-hating (and irrelevant testimonials concerning the decency of their own male relatives and friends) as soon as the global problem of male violence towards, and exploitation of women is raised.
All over the world girls and women are getting a shabbier deal than their male counterparts. In some countries this entails being aborted before birth, smaller food rations, less money spent on health care and medicine, poorer education's, harder work and less time to study and play, greater risk of being forced into prostitution or child marriage, being set fire to or having acid thrown in her face, or being turned out of the house and onto the street by his relatives if her husband dies.
"Homosexuality must be spoken in your churches and synagogues as an honorable estate. You will be expected to offer ceremonies that bless our sexual unions.
"You will instruct your young people in homosexuality as well as heterosexual behavior. If any older people in your midst objects, you will deal with them sternly, making certain they renounce their ugly and ignorant homophobia or suffer public humiliation. You will make certain that all the prestige and resources of your institutions are brought to bear on the community, so that laws are passed "forbidding" discrimination against homosexuality and heavy punishments are assessed. We expect and demand the same commitment to us you made to Blacks and to Women.
"Finally, we will in all likelihood want to expunge a number of passages from your Scriptures and rewrite others, eliminating preferential treatment of heterosexual marriages and using words that will allow for favorable viewing of the homosexual.
"Warning! If all of these things do not come to pass quickly, we will subject orthodox Jews and Christians to the most sustained hatred and vilification in recent memory. We have captured the liberal establishment and the press. We have already beaten you on a number of battlefield.
(From a Save Dade Press Release)
Recently, homosexual author Steve Warren told Christians what gays expect of them. In The Advocate, the nation's largest and most mainstream homosexual publication, he says: "Here are some of the things you will be expected to affirm. ...
1. Henceforth, homosexuality will be spoken of in your churches and synagogues as an 'honorable estate.'
2. You can either let us marry people of the same sex, or better yet abolish marriage altogether. ...
3. You will be expected to offer ceremonies that bless our sexual arrangements. ... You will also instruct your people in homosexual as well as heterosexual behavior, and you will go out of your way to make certain that homosexual youths are allowed to date, attend religious functions together, openly display affection, and enjoy each other's sexuality without embarrassment or guilt.
4. If any of the older people in your midst object, you will deal with them sternly, making certain they renounce their ugly and ignorant homophobia or suffer public humiliation.
5. You will also make certain that ... laws are passed forbidding discrimination against homosexuals and heavy punishments are assessed. ...
6. Finally, we will in all likelihood want to expunge a number of passages from your Scriptures and rewrite others, eliminating preferential treatment of marriage and using words that will allow for homosexual interpretations of passages describing biblical lovers such as Ruth and Boaz or Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. Warning: If all these things do not come to pass quickly, we will subject Orthodox Jews and Christians to the most sustained hatred and vilification in recent memory. We have captured the liberal establishment and the press. We have already beaten you on a number of battlefields. ... You have neither the faith nor the strength to fight us, so you might as well surrender now."
The SCUM Manifesto
by Valerie Solanas
Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible, thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money system, institute complete automation and destroy the male sex.
It is now technically feasible to reproduce without the aid of males (or, for that matter, females) and to produce only females. We must begin immediately to do so. Retaining the male has not even the dubious purpose of reproduction. The male is a biological accident: the Y (male) gene is an incomplete X (female) gene, that is, it has an incomplete set of chromosomes. In other words, the male is an incomplete female, a walking abortion, aborted at the gene stage. To be male is to be deficient, emotionally limited; maleness is a deficiency disease and males are emotional cripples.
The male is completely egocentric, trapped inside himself, incapable of empathizing or identifying with others, or love, friendship, affection of tenderness. He is a completely isolated unit, incapable of rapport with anyone. His responses are entirely visceral, not cerebral; his intelligence is a mere tool in the services of his drives and needs; he is incapable of mental passion, mental interaction; he can't relate to anything other than his own physical sensations. He is a half-dead, unresponsive lump, incapable of giving or receiving pleasure or happiness; consequently, he is at best an utter bore, an inoffensive blob, since only those capable of absorption in others can be charming. He is trapped in a twilight zone halfway between humans and apes, and is far worse off than the apes because, unlike the apes, he is capable of a large array of negative feelings -- hate, jealousy, contempt, disgust, guilt, shame, doubt -- and moreover, he is aware of what he is and what he isn't.
LESBIANS IN REVOLT
Male Supremacy Quakes and Quivers
The development of Lesbian-feminist politics as the basis for the liberation of women is our top priority; this article outlines our present ideas. In our society which defines all people and institutions for the benefit of the rich, white male, the Lesbian is in revolt. In revolt because she defines herself in terms of women and rejects the male definitions of how she should feel, act, look, and live. To be a Lesbian is to love oneself, woman, in a culture that denegrates and despises women. The Lesbian rejects male sexual/political domination; she defies his world, his social organization, his ideology, and his definition of her as inferior. Lesbianism puts women first while the society declares the male supreme. Lesbianism threatens male supremacy at its core. When politically conscious and organized, it is central to destroying our sexist, racist, capitalist, imperialist system.
Lesbianinsm is a political choice
Male society defines Lesbianism as a sexual act, which reflects men's limited view of women: they think of us only in terms of sex. They also say that Lesbians are not real women, so a real woman is one who gets #ed by men. We say that a Lesbian is a woman whose sense of self and energies, including sexual energies, center around women -- she is woman identified. The woman-identified woman commits herself to other women for political, emotional, physical, and economic support. Women are important to her. She is important to herself. Our society demands that commitment from women be reserved for men.
The Lesbian, woman-identified woman, commits herself to women not only as an alternative to oppressive male/female relationships but primarily because she loves women. Whether consciously or not, by her actions, the Lesbian has recognized that giving support and love to men over women perpetuates the system that oppresses her. If women do not make a commitment to each other, which includes sexual love, we deny ourselves the love and value traditionally given to men. We accept our second class status. When women do give primary energies to other women, then it is possible to concentrate fully on building a movement for our liberation.
Woman-identified Lesbianism is, then, more than a sexual preference, it is a political choice. It is political because relationships between men and women are essentially political, they involve power and dominance. Since the Lesbian actively rejects that relationship and chooses women, she defies the established political system.
The Woman Identified Woman
What is a lesbian? A lesbian is the rage of all women condensed to the point of explosion. She is the woman who, often beginning at an extremely early age, acts in accordance with her inner compulsion to be a more complete and freer human being than her society - perhaps then, but certainly later - cares to allow her. These needs and actions, over a period of years, bring her into painful conflict with people, situations, the accepted ways of thinking, feeling and behaving, until she is in a state of continual war with everything around her, and usually with her self. She may not be fully conscious of the political implications of what for her began as personal necessity, but on some level she has not been able to accept the limitations and oppression laid on her by the most basic role of her society--the female role. The turmoil she experiences tends to induce guilt proportional to the degree to which she feels she is not meeting social expectations, and/or eventually drives her to question and analyze what the rest of her society more or less accepts. She is forced to evolve her own life pattern, often living much of her life alone, learning usually much earlier than her "straight" (heterosexual) sisters about the essential aloneness of life (which the myth of marriage obscures) and about the reality of illusions. To the extent that she cannot expel the heavy socialization that goes with being female, she can never truly find peace with herself. For she is caught somewhere between accepting society's view of her - in which case she cannot accept herself - and coming to understand what this sexist society has done to her and why it is functional and necessary for it to do so. Those of us who work that through find ourselves on the other side of a tortuous journey through a night that may have been decades long. The perspective gained from that journey, the liberation of self, the inner peace, the real love of self and of all women, is something to be shared with all women - because we are all women.
It should first be understood that lesbianism, like male homosexuality, is a category of behavior possible only in a sexist society characterized by rigid sex roles and dominated by male supremacy. Those sex roles dehumanize women by defining us as a supportive/serving caste in relation to the master caste of men, and emotionally cripple men by demanding that they be alienated from their own bodies and emotions in order to perform their economic/political/military functions effectively. Homosexuality is a by-product of a particular way of setting up roles ( or approved patterns of behavior) on the basis of sex; as such it is an inauthentic ( not consonant with "reality") category. In a society in which men do not oppress women, and sexual expression is allowed to follow feelings, the categories of homosexuality and heterosexuality would disappear.
But lesbianism is also different from male homosexuality, and serves a different function in the society. "Dyke" is a different kind of put-down from "faggot", although both imply you are not playing your socially assigned sex role. . . are not therefore a "real woman" or a "real man. " The grudging admiration felt for the tomboy, and the queasiness felt around a sissy boy point to the same thing: the contempt in which women-or those who play a female role-are held. And the investment in keeping women in that contemptuous role is very great. Lesbian is a word, the label, the condition that holds women in line. When a woman hears this word tossed her way, she knows she is stepping out of line. She knows that she has crossed the terrible boundary of her sex role. She recoils, she protests, she reshapes her actions to gain approval. Lesbian is a label invented by the Man to throw at any woman who dares to be his equal, who dares to challenge his prerogatives (including that of all women as part of the exchange medium among men), who dares to assert the primacy of her own needs. To have the label applied to people active in women's liberation is just the most recent instance of a long history; older women will recall that not so long ago, any woman who was successful, independent, not orienting her whole life about a man, would hear this word. For in this sexist society, for a woman to be independent means she can't be a woman - she must be a dyke. That in itself should tell us where women are at. It says as clearly as can be said: women and person are contradictory terms. For a lesbian is not considered a "real woman. " And yet, in popular thinking, there is really only one essential difference between a lesbian and other women: that of sexual orientation - which is to say, when you strip off all the packaging, you must finally realize that the essence of being a "woman" is to get lucked by men.
WOMEN OF THE WORLD UNITE --
WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR MEN!
(The following is a "conversation" put together from various comments made by women and men on the subject of women's liberation.)
"Women's liberation doesn't have the immediate importance of black liberation or ending the war in Vietnam--the revolution."
"That statement shows you have no concept of the oppression of Women. It's true that women are not being killed off as a group in the great numbers that black people and Vietnamese are, or in such obvious ways. But 10,000 yeomen die each year from abortions because the men who run this country have decided that a women may not control her own body. Women are dehumanized and put into service roles like black people. More of us can ‘make it' economically, if we are willing to prostitute ourselves as wives of upper or middle-class men. House 'n-word's. But basically we are economically exploited, psychologically oppressed and socially kept in 'our place' by men and by a capitalist system that has institutionalized male supremacy - in a more subtle way than the cave-man but just as destructively."
"But other people are more oppressed than you."
"That may or may not be. It seems rather futile to argue about who is the most or more oppressed. If you're being stepped on, you don't stop to argue about whether the foot on your neck is heavier than the one on the neck of somebody else. You try to free yourself. And where it's the same foot, you work together. There may be several things holding you down at once. If you're a woman, it's men and the capitalist system. If you're a black woman, it's also racism."
"Are you saying that Women shouldn't fight in other struggles?"
BECAUSE - Lesbian Separatist
BECAUSE dykes are still discriminated against in their homes,
in our jobs, in our schools, in the streets. BECAUSE lesbian
relationships are still not recognized by law. BECAUSE
lesbophobia is so internalized that most lesbians are still
afraid to "come out". BECAUSE when we choose to put
ourselves and all lesbians needs first we're told we are being
selfish, as if that's a bad thing. BECAUSE when we try to build
dyke-identified lives, we are feared and rejected. BECAUSE
we have no lesbian spaces of our own. BECAUSE when we try to
create dyke only space, bisexual womyn and men demand to be
included. BECAUSE we are told to give our energies to men and
their heteropatriarchy. BECAUSE when we choose to reject
heteropatriarchy we are attacked, insulted and rejected.
BECAUSE men still rape and kill us and aren't held accountable.
BECAUSE when we express anger at this male violence and
misogynist oppression, we are told we are abusive. BECAUSE
when we tell men not to touch or talk to us we are told we're
uptight and reversing sexism. BECAUSE when we explain that we
have chosen to surround ourselves with females only we are
insulted by being called naive, and then given condescending
lectures about cutting ourselves off from half the human race.
BECAUSE dykes who have sold out, laugh at us and say:
"i used to hate men too, but i got over it, You will too".
BECAUSE even in our own community, butches are feared and
accused of being like men. BECAUSE liberal "do whatever you
feel" politics have encouraged violence and abuse to be acted out
sexually. BECAUSE partner abuse in lesbian relationships is
silenced or assumed to be mutual. BECAUSE its long overdue to
challenge, unlearn and reject the racism, anti-semitism,
ethnicism, classism, imperialism, ableism, fat oppression,
lookism and ageism world has divided our communities for so long.
BECAUSE the womyn`s movement, and het feminists are still
asking us to shut up and hide after we worked so hard to
build rape crisis centres and shelters. BECAUSE even when we do
try to assert and fight for our rights, were told we are
silencing hets, and taking up too much space. BECAUSE there
isn't enough room to list all the reasons.
BECAUSE lesbian separatists are scapegoated for all problems in
our communities and BECAUSE together we have the
strength and courage to take the risks and make the choices.
BECAUSE THE MISOGYNIST WORLD WE LIVE IN
WANTS US SILENT AND DEAD.
BECAUSE OUR SILENCE WILL NOT PROTECT US.
WE ARE OUT AND PROUD SISTERS
IN THE LESBIAN SEPARATIST MOVEMENT
Originally posted by Jamuhn
So what's your point, that all gays are bad people? Or do you realize that there are nuts in every group?
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Many have claimed that there is no gay agenda. Many have claimed that the agenda is only about equality. Others claim that the agenda is all about destroying the traditional and replacing it with the revolutionary. This should be a discussion of the social movements associated with Homosexuality.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Many have claimed that there is no gay agenda. Many have claimed that the agenda is only about equality. Others claim that the agenda is all about destroying the traditional and replacing it with the revolutanary. This should be a discussion of the social movements associated with Homosexuality.
Originally posted by Jamuhn
But you didn't say anything about it! You just posted a bunch of articles claiming there is a generalized gay agenda. You want someone to something contrary to what the articles present so you can attack them. Either put up or shut up.
Originally posted by marg6043
Whoa, some people can be hateful not matter what, I wonder who should I pity the narrow-minded gay bashers or the victims of their hatred, it seems to me that their hate span more than just gay.
Originally posted by edsinger
it is pity.
I pity you Sir, you are a closed minded fool. I am wishing a gay child on you, I only hope one or all of your kids are GAY.
....but it is good to point out that the act itself is a sin.
So is not loving all equally.
Originally posted by SpittinCobra
Grady, I am asking, Do YOU think gays have an agenda? If so, what is it? Why do you think this?
Originally posted by Banshee
I'd rather spend my time with ten thousand homosexual folks than one, say, mindless racist.
Whether we're talking about Matthew Shepard James Byrd Jr, it's all blind hate.
So much for denying ignorance.
Originally posted by marg6043
Edsinger, you know I portray you as very much human even if some of your post are rant
But for some others sometimes I wonder if humanity is still in their blood.
[edit on 16-10-2004 by marg6043]
Yes, I think gays have an agenda. I decline discuss my personal views on the matter at this time, as I was hoping that this duscussion could inform my views.