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Originally posted by ubeenhad
Our known laws of gravity "break down" at the point of singularity. Relativity or newtonian mechanics wont work if the density is infinite.
Sometimes the answer "I don't know" or "nobody knows" is the best answer.
What came before the Big Bang?
The standard Big Bang model is singular at the time of the Big Bang, t = 0. This means that one cannot even define time, since spacetime is singular. In some models like the chaotic or perpetual inflation favored by Linde, the Big Bang is just one of many inflating bubbles in a spacetime foam. But there is no possibility of getting information from outside our own one bubble. Thus I conclude that: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
Originally posted by phroziac
Simple. Space didnt expand. Its infinite. Whats in it expands. But if everything in space is a cubic mile.....nothing outside of that cubic mile matters. Theres nothing there...... And if theres nothing there whose to say the space is even there?
Originally posted by ImaFungi
Originally posted by phroziac
Simple. Space didnt expand. Its infinite. Whats in it expands. But if everything in space is a cubic mile.....nothing outside of that cubic mile matters. Theres nothing there...... And if theres nothing there whose to say the space is even there?
So you think in "INFINITE" space,,, this universe is the only "something" which exists....
how did this relatively massive,, complex,, and related "somethingness" get to be in the middle of infinite nothingness?
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by ubeenhad
Our known laws of gravity "break down" at the point of singularity. Relativity or newtonian mechanics wont work if the density is infinite.
I've heard this before. Isn't gravity what kept all the matter together in the singularity? If not, what did? If gravity didn't do it, what stopped all the matter from flying off before the BB?edit on 9/30/2012 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Jukiodone
To anyone saying space is nothing:
If space is nothing why does it take time for any particle with an EM signature to travel through it.
Once we acknowledge that space is indeed "something" ( a superfluid vaccum) and is in fact the medium with which Gravity manifests itself ( via gradients of Quantum density) it might make more sense.
Einstein had the right idea when he called it space time however just because it takes "time" doesnt mean it is time.
edit on 30-9-2012 by Jukiodone because: (no reason given)
Sometimes the answer "I don't know" or "nobody knows" is the best answer.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Thus I conclude that: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
This will show you that a single PHOTON IS INTERFERING WITH ITSELF! Thus as this experiment can be done with ELECTRONS and there are experiments slightly different but have the same basic results for all Quantum Particles...it shows us that these Particle/Wave Forms have an inter connectivity between other versions of themselves in other ALTERNATE UNIVERSAL REALITIES THAT ARE DIVERGENT FROM EACH OTHER YET WITHIN THE SAME GROUP WITHIN OUR MULTIVERSE. Continued....Split Infinity
Originally posted by jiggerj
Sometimes the answer "I don't know" or "nobody knows" is the best answer.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Thus I conclude that: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
And yet, physicists will tell us that time started at the BB, and I just don't agree with them. How can their math even prove such a thing?
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
To SUM IT UP...the MULTIVERSE ANALOGY...The MULTIVERSE is like AN INFINITE FOREST. Within the FOREST is an INFINITE NUMBER OF TREES. Each TREE has an INFINITE NUMBER OF BRANCHES. Each of these INFINITE NUMBER OF BRANCHES represents A UNIVERSE that is a slightly different variation of each of the other BRANCHES...or ALTERNATE UNIVERSAL REALITIES. Each TREE REPRESENTS AN INFINITE GROUP OF UNIVERSAL REALITIES that are completely ALIEN IN THEIR PHYSICAL NATURAL LAWS COMPARED TO OUR OWN TREES PHYSICAL NATURAL LAWS. OUR TREE REPRESENTS INFINITE VERSIONS OF OUR UNIVERSAL REALITY AND ALL BRANCHES OR UNIVERSES IN OUR GROUP OR TREE HAVE THE SAME PHYSICAL NATURAL LAWS. IF you have questions just ask. Split Infinity
You left out the part of my quote which addressed that. I don't assume they have proven any such thing.
Originally posted by jiggerj
And yet, physicists will tell us that time started at the BB, and I just don't agree with them. How can their math even prove such a thing?
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Sometimes the answer "I don't know" or "nobody knows" is the best answer.
Thus I conclude that: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
Originally posted by ubeenhad
We honestly and whole heatedly have no idea what time even is, if it does exist. My personal opinion is that time is just planck time(the time it takes light to travel 1 planck length which is 10^-35 meters) pixels. So each moment is just the quanta of time, and time is just the natural progression of things like atomic decay. Time is quantum actions, the very smallest possible actions, and the progression of theses quantum "steps" is what gives time its fluid appearance. Its like a really FAST frame per second movie.edit on 30-9-2012 by ubeenhad because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
You left out the part of my quote which addressed that. I don't assume they have proven any such thing.
Originally posted by jiggerj
And yet, physicists will tell us that time started at the BB, and I just don't agree with them. How can their math even prove such a thing?
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Sometimes the answer "I don't know" or "nobody knows" is the best answer.
Thus I conclude that: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
You also omitted the part of that external quote about other "bubbles" some of which may have preceded our bubble and which may have had time.edit on 30-9-2012 by Arbitrageur because: clarification