Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by nighthawk1954

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One of the problems with this mythos purporting a secret Nazi UFO base in Antarctica is that it usually involves the facilitation of uboats, German Submarines to access underwater tunnels and thus the hidden base.

Something to take note of is that the Nazis were VERY good at keeping records, and because of this, and because of hobbyists interested in uboats, every single uboat that was ever built, conceived of, planned, and laid down, even the super top secret experimental uboats are all documented and accounted for.

Originally posted by Druscilla
Something to take note of is that the Nazis were VERY good at keeping records, and because of this, and because of hobbyists interested in uboats, every single uboat that was ever built, conceived of, planned, and laid down, even the super top secret experimental uboats are all documented and accounted for.

Originally posted by Druscilla
Now, with this in mind, take another look at uboat.net, and take special note under the MYTHS SECTION.

U-boats in the Antarctica in 1947

There is a persistent rumor that the U-boats penetrated the Antarctica before or during the war.

One of those stories even has a German U-boat stopping an Icelandic whaler named Juliana there in 1947 and insisting that its captain, Hekla, sells the U-boat crew supplies. In exchange for the supplies (which had been paid for in cash or gold) the U-boat commander told the whaler where a large school of whales were to be found. The whaler then found said whales in that exact position claimed by the U-boat commander.

No U-boats ever penetrated the Antarctica as far as we can see, after all why on earth would they?

Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by nighthawk1954

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One of the problems with this mythos purporting a secret Nazi UFO base in Antarctica is that it usually involves the facilitation of uboats, German Submarines to access underwater tunnels and thus the hidden base.

Unfortunately for adherents to this belief, there's a group of people that absolutely love uboats and everything about them. Like plane spotters, train spotters, bird watchers, and other hobbyists, these uboat affectionados are pretty obsessive and meticulous about everything uboat, and uboat related.

Sites like Uboat.net serve as data storehouses and meeting places to exchange information on the topic and debate particulars.

Something to take note of is that the Nazis were VERY good at keeping records, and because of this, and because of hobbyists interested in uboats, every single uboat that was ever built, conceived of, planned, and laid down, even the super top secret experimental uboats are all documented and accounted for.

The commanders, crew, missions, patrols, fates, conning tower emblems, engine type, serial numbers, and entire history of each uboat ever produced, even the submarines captured from other navies and used by the Nazis, are detailed.

Now, with this in mind, take another look at uboat.net, and take special note under the MYTHS SECTION.

U-boats in the Antarctica in 1947

There is a persistent rumor that the U-boats penetrated the Antarctica before or during the war.

One of those stories even has a German U-boat stopping an Icelandic whaler named Juliana there in 1947 and insisting that its captain, Hekla, sells the U-boat crew supplies. In exchange for the supplies (which had been paid for in cash or gold) the U-boat commander told the whaler where a large school of whales were to be found. The whaler then found said whales in that exact position claimed by the U-boat commander.

No U-boats ever penetrated the Antarctica as far as we can see, after all why on earth would they?

Further under the Myths section, uboats carrying cargo holds of Mercury is also addressed.
This is noteworthy as often adherents to the Nazi UFO fable cite that Nazi UFOs used a 'Mercury Vortex Engine', or some other imaginary power plant requiring Mercury to create an anti-gravity effect where which uboats were used to transport this Mercury to the secret UFO base in Antarctica.

Feel free to browse uboat.net.

Any story involving or requiring uboats to be used in support of the story, will have no legs to stand on unless the documented movements, payloads, service personnel, and cargo documented and available for examination support it.

In the case of UFO bases in Antarctica, at least where UBoats are involved, this story is a complete fantasy.

NAZI BASE REPORTED IN ANTARCTIC AREA; Repair Shop at Deception Bay, 500 Miles From South America, Is Blown Up BYRD MAKES DISCLOSURE Admiral at Boston Greets Ship Returning With Members of United States Expedition
May 06, 1941,
BOSTON, May 5 -- The establishment of a German naval repair shop at Deception Bay, only 500 miles from South America, was revealed today as the motorship North Star docked at the army base with thirty-six scientists and explorers home from Little America.

Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by Dustytoad

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No hostility.

You're free to believe what you wish.

I simply linked a site and gave reasoning behind what i know about the site from previous looks at the site.

Ignore it, or read it as you will, or not.

Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by Dustytoad

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I'm not saying you DO believe in a base anywhere.
Please consider that you weren't the only person I was addressing, as well as the generalized usage of the word 'you'.

Thus, you, either in the personal direct Dustytoad sense, or you in the general anyone that's reading this can, if they wish, look at all the German Submarines listed on uboat.net boat listings all the way from U-1 on up to U- 4712, plus boats Never Commisioned, as well as Foreign Boats captured and commissioned into the Kriegsmarine, and with that info, you can look for gaps and missing numbers in designations, or not.

There's even a listing for U-666. Was it the devil's boat?

Whatever the case, the information is there for anyone that wants to look at it.

Originally posted by Druscilla
You guys are welcome to believe what you want.

Originally posted by Druscilla
From your responses, it seems you guys have your minds already made out about some things, most likely without even looking at the very nicely linked information database to uboats I've linky linked.

Originally posted by Druscilla
Whatever the case, educate yourself regarding actual documented resources, or not.

When Zündel started Samisdat Publishers in the 1970s, he initially catered to the UFOlogy community, which was then at its peak of public acceptance. His main offerings were his own books claiming that flying saucers were Nazi secret weapons launched from an underground base in Antarctica, from which the Nazis hoped to conquer the world.[19] Under the pseudonyms Christof Friedrich and Mattern Friedrich, he also wrote several publications promoting the idea that UFOs were really secret weapons of the Nazis who had fled to New Swabia in Antarctica. These titles include "Secret Nazi Polar Expeditions" [1978] and "Hitler at the South Pole" [1979]). He promoted the idea of Nazi secret bases in Antarctica, Nazi UFOs, secret polar bases and Hollow Earth theories.

In the Samisdat Publishers newsletter of 1978, Zündel advertised an expedition to Antarctica to find these bases and UFOs. A ticket would cost $9,999 for a seat on an exploration team to locate the polar entrance to the hollow earth.[22] This expedition never took place.

On February 5, 2003, Ernst Zündel was detained by local police in the US and deported to Canada, where he was detained for two years on a Security Certificate for being a foreign national alleged to be a threat to national security pending a court decision on the validity of the certificate. Once the certificate was upheld and Zündel was determined to be a national security risk he was deported to Germany and tried in the state court of Mannheim on outstanding charges of incitement for Holocaust denial dating from the early 1990s. On February 15, 2007, he was convicted and sentenced to the maximum term of five years in prison.[8] He was released on March 1, 2010.[9]

According to Frank Miele, a member of the Skeptics Society in the United States, Zündel told him that his book 'UFOs: Nazi Secret Weapon?' (which became an underground bestseller, going through several printings) was nothing more than a ploy to attract readers, a deliberate hoax to build publicity for Samisdat. Said Zündel in a telephone conversation with Miele: "I realized that North Americans were not interested in being educated. They want to be entertained. The book was for fun. With a picture of the Führer on the cover and flying saucers coming out of Antarctica it was a chance to get on radio and TV talk shows."

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by nighthawk1954
alleged disappearance of thousands of Nazi scientists and engineers at the end of the war, personnel that cannot be accounted for by the Vatican and Odessa ‘rat lines’ or American ‘Operation Paperclip‘ activities.

Of course the simple answer to that claim is they were captured by the Russians, who were doing exactly the same and worse than the Americans - see Russian Alsos and also en.wikipedia.org...

Dont forget some went to the moon - see the documentary "Iron Sky"

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