Leading scientists state, that earth`s core and earth-near space are changing, with consequences for, page 2

reply to post by penninja

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There are not countless planets zipping aournd our solar system. Our solar system has 8 planets and one planetoid ( Pluto ) They are in a pretty stable orbit around our sun and there is nothing to indicate that that will change in the near future.
Where did you get your information about our solar system?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Its funny, when we talk about this at work, no one thinks that the changes taking place are anything but a natural cycle of the earth. We have had ice ages over and over. We warm, we cool, we warm again. Man had nothing to do with the other cycles but somehow we want to take this on as our fault. The earth obviously has cycles and we are in a warming one right now. My car didnt do it and neither did yours.

Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Its funny, when we talk about this at work, no one thinks that the changes taking place are anything but a natural cycle of the earth.

Of course they don't. It would be too much weight on their shoulders. Better to just deny responsibility.

We have had ice ages over and over. We warm, we cool, we warm again.

True.

Man had nothing to do with the other cycles but somehow we want to take this on as our fault. The earth obviously has cycles and we are in a warming one right now. My car didnt do it and neither did yours.

This is where you go off the deep end. That "somehow" would be things like burning carbon-based fuels. Nobody is denying that the earth has cycles. People are saying, and have proven without a doubt, that anthropogenic carbon emissions in the atmosphere is increasing the temperature of the planet. The earth is quite capable of cycling into a much warmer, or cooler period on her own, but it would be incredibly foolish to not be concerned about what we're doing to the environment. Just because the earth is capable of warming us up more than we already are, doesn't negate the fact that we're exacerbating the warming trend.

Originally posted by Phage
You can get the Proceedings from the conference here:
geocataclysm.org...

As far as "Earth changes" goes, this seems to be covered by a single article from the conference. The article is titled GLOBAL GEOLOGICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE: THREATENING THE STABLE DEVELOPMENT OF CIVILIZATION and is by E.N. Khalilov. He seems to be attempting to tie a bunch of stuff together with some unknown thing that happened in 1998.
1. Magnetic poles’ drift acceleration
2. Anomalous J2 coefficient change
3. Global sea level change
4. Global tropospheric temperature change
5. An increase in large earthquakes
6. An increase in volcanic eruptions
7. An increase in tsunamis
8. An increase in floods in the US
9. An increase in tornadoes in the US
10. An increase in hurricanes and storms in the Atlantic
11. An increase in forest fires in the US

It seems that most of those items are debatable. His chart for earthquakes of magnitude 6.5 and greater from 1978 to 2010 seems to be inaccurate.

E.N. Khalilov is involved with some sort of "out there" stuff. He using some sort of crystal based detection system to try to predict earthquakes but he doesn't seem to be sure exactly what the detectors detect.
seismonet.org...

The rest of the articles from the conference seem to deal with disaster forecasting and mitigation.

edit on 9/28/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

So you admit that these things are debatable, not merely dismisable as has been evidenced by posters such as yourself in the past.

reply to post by ahnggk

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The earth is alive ? Can she speak, maybe she can answer this question.

reply to post by aboriginee

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if this is true, and theres nothing we can do...

then listen to this rhyme because now its time...

practice right relation with Earth, to hear and see it coming first...

and in this way you know where to stay...

Doing what is Right, Guided by Higher Might!!


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reply to post by 1littlewolf

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I have plenty of sources and have posted dozens of threads with research papers from all over the world which corroborate everything I have written.

Some other members and myself have also demonstrated, several times if I might add, that Climate Change being blamed on humans is being used as an excuse to implement a One World Government derived from corporate governance, as UN documents reveal.

“The governments of Europe, the United States, and Japan are unlikely to negotiate a social-democratic pattern of globalization – unless their hands are forced by a popular movement or a catastrophe, such as another Great Depression or ecological disaster“

These governments would not accept a "social-democratic pattern of globalization" unless their hands are FORCED by a popular movement (Occupy and Anthropogenic Global Warming movements), another Great Depression (the current GLOBAL economic crisis), or an ecological disaster (Global Warming been blamed on humans)

Democratising Global Governance:

The Challenges of the World Social Forum

by

Francesca Beausang


ABSTRACT

This paper sums up the debate that took place during the two round tables organized by UNESCO within the first World Social Forum in Porto Alegre (25/30 January 2001). It starts with a discussion of national processes, by examining democracy and then governance at the national level. It first states a case for a "joint" governance based on a combination of stakeholder theory, which is derived from corporate governance, and of UNESCO's priorities in the field of governance. As an example, the paper investigates how governance can deviate from democracy in the East Asian model. Subsequently, the global dimension of the debate on democracy and governance is examined, first by identification of the characteristics and agents of democracy in the global setting, and then by allusion to the difficulties of transposing governance to the global level.

www.unesco.org...

The above paper is from 1991 from the UN (UNESCO is a branch of the UN in case you didn't know). It, and the meetings these globalists have been having call for a GLOBAL SOCIALIST/FASCIST GOVERNMENT derived from CORPORATE GOVERNANCE...

Susanne Posel
Occupy Corporatism
July 5, 2012

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation (BMGF) are focusing on population control through their Global Health Development Programs. By using citizens in under-developed nations, like Africa and India, was Guinea pigs for their research and development for “new interventions such as vaccines, drugs and diagnostics”, these globalists hope to ensure their family planning schemes are effective.

Melinda Gates has made family planning and the population control agenda her personal mission . She justifies her cause by claiming that 100,000 women die in child birth from unintended pregnancies. Although this statistic has no scientific basis, since it sounds good and mainstream media do not check facts, it has helped the BMGF team up with the British government to raise more than $4 billion to fun depopulation programs under the guise of bringing contraceptives to under-developed nations.

The BMGF assert that by 2050 “the global population is expected to grow to over 9 billion people” and this is unacceptable to them. By applying pressure to social programs and resources, the BMGF want to use family planning as an investment for all national governments globally.

Strategies to accomplish their goals include:
Using financial influence to force governments and policymakers to implement their family planning schemes
Empower NGOs who promote family planning propaganda
Coerce the integration of family planning into all “humanitarian” efforts by using funds from the UN Global Fund
Pour money into efforts that further family planning through national policy controls that adhere to the UN’s Millennium Development Goals

BMGF has partnered with drug corporations like Shanghai Dahua Pharmaceuticals in China to develop implantable fertility controls that will be used in over 20 developing countries to curb population growth.

The injectable Depo-Provera is being sold to under-developed nations and being administered by healthcare workers and nonmedical providers, or by the women themselves. Policy and training systems are underway to ensure these drugs are utilized in areas like the sub-Saharan Africa. By using these areas as testing grounds for new fertility drugs, as well as forcible sterilization schemes, the BMGF are focusing on preventative situations over dealing with abortable pregnancies which become complicated.
...

occupycorporatism.com...

The above and other facts I posted in the followinf thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Phage
You can get the Proceedings from the conference here:
geocataclysm.org...

As far as "Earth changes" goes, this seems to be covered by a single article from the conference. The article is titled GLOBAL GEOLOGICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE: THREATENING THE STABLE DEVELOPMENT OF CIVILIZATION and is by E.N. Khalilov. He seems to be attempting to tie a bunch of stuff together with some unknown thing that happened in 1998.
1. Magnetic poles’ drift acceleration
2. Anomalous J2 coefficient change
3. Global sea level change
4. Global tropospheric temperature change
5. An increase in large earthquakes
6. An increase in volcanic eruptions
7. An increase in tsunamis
8. An increase in floods in the US
9. An increase in tornadoes in the US
10. An increase in hurricanes and storms in the Atlantic
11. An increase in forest fires in the US

It seems that most of those items are debatable. His chart for earthquakes of magnitude 6.5 and greater from 1978 to 2010 seems to be inaccurate.

E.N. Khalilov is involved with some sort of "out there" stuff. He using some sort of crystal based detection system to try to predict earthquakes but he doesn't seem to be sure exactly what the detectors detect.
seismonet.org...

The rest of the articles from the conference seem to deal with disaster forecasting and mitigation.

edit on 9/28/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

First about earthquakes:

en.wikipedia.org...

Here you can see, that Earthquakes of the magnetude of 8,5 and greater can be reliably measured since 1900.

Here`s what a seismograph in Germany "painted" of the great earthquake in San Francisco, which happened 1906:

www.eoearth.org...

I`ve counted the earthquakes in the list, that happened during the whole 20. century, that were 12.
And in the 21. century there have already been 6 earthquakes of that magnitude.

That speaks for itself.

And that there is a great increase in volcanic activity, is fact. Earthquakes and volcanic activity interact with each other, great earthquakes often trigger volcanic explosions.

And again, there are many leading scientists from throughout the world including western scientists, who made that declaration together, here it is once more, and I think, you`ve found it until now:

1. Participants of the World Forum – International Congress GEOCATACLYSM-2011 state that the continuing trend of global change in the geological and geophysical parameters of the Earth and near-earth space, acceleration of the growth rate of the number and energy of natural disasters, global changes observed throughout the Earth including its core, mantle, lithosphere, hydrosphere, atmosphere, ionosphere and magnetosphere represent a serious threat to the sustainable development of humanity.


It is logical, that the scientists who made the introduction speeches didn`t talk much about the reasons for catastrophes.
The motto of that conference was: “NATURAL CATACLYSMS AND GLOBAL PROBLEMS OF THE
MODERN CIVILIZATION”

It goes about how to better prepare and about the relation between natural and manmade catastrophes, for example what happened at Fukushima and Tschernobyl.

I couldn`t read much of that speeches, but I`ve found one, where main reasons are remarked.

The proposed explanation is that planet positions disperse electricity from the galactic centre to the planets from its course to the sun, so Earth's magma is charged and is rising its disturbance).

S. 86 in the link you gave me: geocataclysm.org...


Here`s something about the magnetic field of galaxies:

hypertextbook.com...

The magnetic field of a galaxy -- although not strong in comparison to that of the Earth, which is approximately 5.0 × 10-5 T (50 µT) -- can gradually act on the dust particles and cause their rotational axes to line up so that their short axes are parallel to the direction of the field which is in turn aligned with the Milky Way band and the galactic plane. This pattern is confirmed by polarization measurements.

That field also acts upon interstellar dustclouds, which can be dangerous:

iopscience.iop.org...

alternatively, if the GC is the cloud that is foreground to α Cen, the similar values for N(H0) in the GC components toward α Cen and 36 Oph indicate this cloud is entirely contained within the nearest ~1.3 pc, and the Ca+ GC data toward α Oph would then imply a cloud volume density of ~5 cm-3, with dramatic consequences for the heliosphere in the near future

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It is nowadays known, that our heliosphere could already be interacting with the G cloud:

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by aboriginee

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Here`s what a seismograph in Germany "painted" of the great earthquake in San Francisco, which happened 1906:

Yes? What is your point? Do you think it unusual that a strong earthquake is recorded at a great distance?

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I`ve counted the earthquakes in the list, that happened during the whole 20. century, that were 12.
And in the 21. century there have already been 6 earthquakes of that magnitude.
That speaks for itself.

Actually there were 13 in the twentieth century but using centuries as an arbitrary time period can be misleading. Let's play that game another way...

In the period of 20 years from 1946 to 1965 there were 8 such earthquakes. In the 20 years from 1993 to 2012 there have been 6.

In the 50 year period from 1914 to 1965 there were 11. In the 50 year period from 1961 to 2012 there have been 9.

If that speaks for itself it seems like things have calmed down recently.

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The proposed explanation is that planet positions disperse electricity from the galactic centre to the planets from its course to the sun, so Earth's magma is charged and is rising its disturbance).

Thank you Goulopoulos Nikolaos for that lovely bit of nonsense. Who is he?

Here`s something about the magnetic field of galaxies:

What does that have to do with "electricity from the galactic centre" affecting magma? Magma is not magnetic (see "Curie point"). Never mind the fact that gravity is a far stronger force within the Earth than the galactic magnetic field.

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That field also acts upon interstellar dustclouds, which can be dangerous:

Dangerous? How?

It is nowadays known, that our heliosphere could already be interacting with the G cloud:

From your source:

The Solar System is thought to have entered the Local Interstellar Cloud at some time between 44,000 and 150,000 years ago and is expected to remain within it for another 10,000 to 20,000 years.

en.wikipedia.org...
We have been living with those "dangerous" effects for a very long time.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Abortion has become so accepted that now the elites want to even allow parents and the state to murder children who will be born even if they have no health problems.

That`s so terrible! I`ve read about that.
But it`s symptomatical, when the earth changes, already now being dramatic, are told to be caused mainly by humanity, that leads to such excesses, they will get more and more "normal".
The single human being isn`t of that value anymore, he is a threat to the society, because there are too many people.

Humanity will step backwards in it`s development towards an archaic society.
First democracy will be abolished.
We can see this happen in a fast way in the USA. Remember the NDAA and so on.
In Europe, they want to install a European government, the European parliament is a fake show, they are allowed to decide about which kind of bulbs we must use.
But the ESM will be reigned by a governeur - council, they`ll have political and juristic immunity and they can decide without juristic or parliamentary control about how much money they can demand from countries like Germany in order to "help" other countries.

It`s the New World Order, what they want, our chancellor Angela Merkel lately pronounced that officially.
And that took place during a main meeting of the German protestant church!

www.youtube.com...

And that`s what she said: "If one wants a new world order, a worldwide new order, then one can`t avoid giving away responsibility and rights". And also in other meetings and discussions there she showed quite clear, that the NWO is the aim of her policy.

When humanity, concerning earth changes caused by industry (and it`s very important to care about pollution caused by industy, look how bad it is in China!) or by the great and dramatically growing number of population, is guilty of the catastrophes happening more and more, it will be more easy for the politicians to push forward their agenda of control and to destroy democracy.

Now back to earth changes and their main reasons:

Concerning the theory of the electric universe I´ve perhaps found something interesting about comets, especially about far-distant comets coming in from the boarders of our solar system.

www.newscientist.com...

The Headline:

Electric ice a shock to the solar system

Citations:

While claims that ice XI may exist naturally in Antarctica have yet to be verified, astronomers have long suspected that it hangs out in the outer solar system.

But ice XI turns out to be hard to kill. Tiny flecks of the stuff embedded in ordinary ice can help convert all of it to electric ice

Could it be, that long distant comets coming in and acting so strange that even Nasa is buffled about their behaviour, are made of electric ice or contain much of it?

Something more about the interstellar dust clouds, our solar system is moving at the boundaries of two of them right now. It`s been written by Priscilla Frisch, a senior scientist of the University of Chicago, who is also member of the NASA IBEX-team and who talked at the last IBEX press conference. I have many questions about things being said at that conference, I will write about them in another post in this thread.

arxiv.org...

Side 15 under point 5:

. WHERE CLOUDS COLLIDE
5.1. The “Ring of Fire” Around the G Cloud
Figure 19 shows the projected morphologies of all 15 clouds, which collectively cover
more than 90% of the sky. The LIC and G Clouds clearly dominate the sky, and contain
– 16 –
large areas where one or the other is the only absorber along the line of sight. At the
boundaries of the LIC and G clouds, several overlapping absorbers are typically present,
particularly near l from 40◦ to 80◦ and b from –15◦ to +30◦, as well as near l from 270◦
to 320◦ and b from +20◦ to +50◦ and from –70◦ to –30◦. These areas at the boundaries
of the LIC and G clouds may be dynamical interaction zones, which produce “new” clouds
with significantly different kinematic properties. We refer to the active boundary of the G
Cloud where the G and LIC clouds may be colliding as the “Ring of Fire”, in analogy to
the Pacific Ocean “Ring of Fire” where dominant tectonic plates (here interstellar clouds)
interact, resulting in a highly dynamic interaction zone that gives rise to earthquakes and
volcanos (here interstellar shocks, heating, or turbulent flows).

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

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Your link implies nothing untoward regarding a One World Government and it is simply your twisted logic which tries to imply it is so.

Easily available birth control is sorely needed in Africa to enable women to be break free from the pregnancy – birth – pregnancy- birth cycle which limits their opportunities to get education and a job if they so choose. Despite your avatar I’m guessing you’re probably a close minded male…

The thread in your link is nothing more than an inaccurate opinion piece further tainted by your own inaccurate opinions.

If TPTB are truly going use some sort of CO2 conspiracy to take hold of the world (a premise so ridiculous I’m surprised I’m even taking the time to respond) then:

* please tell me why Al Gore did not become President instead of his oil loving opponent;

* please tell me the IPCC recommendations are more or less completely ignored by all of western civilisation;

* please tell me the US only invades the countries of dictators who possess oil and why most of the US military bases are stationed along oil pipelines which feed into Israel.

*And how on Earth would me using solar panels to power my house and charge up my electric car thus enabling me to be less reliant on not only the government but also global corporations in any way helps the NOW agenda.

A few links proving the existence of secret super-volcanoes under the ocean and the dangers of interstellar dust clouds as related to global warming would also be appreciated.

reply to post by 1littlewolf

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I notice how the little picture of yours completely leaves out carbon taxes, and carbon credit trading between companies, and how rich Al Gore has gotten since his rediculous sham of a video released. You act like "big oil" is just big oil. It's not, it should be called "big energy". These guys know which way the wind is blowing, no pun intended. They have seen for a couple decades now how common people are sick of pollution and destroying the environment in the name of making a buck, and that includes burning oil. So yes.....they are also behind Al Gore and the "carbon laws" because in another 20-50 years time or so, when oil's nearly phased out, your money is still going to be going in the pockets of the same people. They're just going to be providing you with a diferent source for the energy you're using.

How anyone is still buying into this man-made global warming scam is beyond me. It's been proven to be absolute bunk. 10 years ago, most of the scientists in the field supported it, but since then THOUSANDS of those scientists have come forward saying it's non-sense and either left the IPCC, or were removed from the IPCC by it's heads for speaking out against the data they're presenting the people.

Just go watch the aptly named documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle" (though I already know man-made global warming groupies won't watch it just based on the name....good brainwashing doesn't allow it). It gets into all the scientists that left or were booted out of the IPCC and how all of them have just been viciously attacked by the corrupt, endentured scientists still with the IPCC.
It just goes to show you how scientists are just as bad as religious whack-os when it comes to having what they say or believe questioned. I do believe that if Aliens ever actually landed on Earth, more scientists will end up putting a gun in their mouth than religious people.

And here's another little "inconvienient truth" for you people that are SO convinced global warming is caused by people and their SUVs. The "last Ice Age" everyone likes to talk about ISN'T "the last ice age" at all.............it's THE CURRENT ICE AGE.......that last ice age hasn't ended yet contrary to popular belief. Those glaciers are still receeding, and the geological record shows that ice ages aren't over until the glaciers have completely melted. This means we're still warming up as this Ice Age is coming towards it's close and logically will until it actually ends, so why blame human CO2 output?.....you notice no "Man-Made Global Warming Groupies" mention that. I'm pretty sure Land Rovers weren't around when this Ice Age first started warming up, nor when all the previous Ice Ages over the eons have happened, so why blame the poor Land Rovers and muscle cars for it now?

wiki.answers.com...

ANd here's another bit of reading which basically debunks man-made global warming in the sense Al Gore and his cronies and worshipers portray it, on a totally different basis, based on NASA data.

occupycorporatism.com...

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