Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by halfoldman
Perhaps, but my KJV says they are virgins, undefiled by women.
So the KJV is wrong?
No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. For it is these who have not defiled themselves with
women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and
the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless.
I think its quite clear....the 144,000 are LITERAL virgins. They are also described as not having lied because they were "blameless".
Question to peope who assume that words like "women" and "virgin" in that particular verse are only symbolic.....is the statement about them being
"blameless" and not having lied also symbolic?
edit on 29-9-2012 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)
The 144k are not people who never had sex with women. Go through the entire OT and see what women are referred as. What is idolatry to God? What does
he consider it when Israel played the harlot with other gods on him?
Israel Is Shameless
1 “They say, ‘If a man divorces his wife,
And she goes from him
And becomes another man’s,
May he return to her again?’
Would not that land be greatly polluted?
But you have played the harlot with many lovers;
Yet return to Me,” says the Lord.
2 “Lift up your eyes to the desolate heights and see:
Where have you not lain with men?
By the road you have sat for them
Like an Arabian in the wilderness;
And you have polluted the land
With your harlotries and your wickedness.
3 Therefore the showers have been withheld,
And there has been no latter rain.
You have had a harlot’s forehead;
You refuse to be ashamed.
4 Will you not from this time cry to Me,
‘My Father, You are the guide of my youth?
5 Will He remain angry forever?
Will He keep it to the end?’
Behold, you have spoken and done evil things,
As you were able.”
14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will
bring you to Zion. 15 And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
He's not talking about actual women. It's a dangerous thing taking everything for literal interpretation, this is why we have the Helper.
The 144k are those who were never defiled by traditions of men, cults and ungodly religions fornicating with lawlessness.