Was there a connection between the Illuminati, the Templar Knights and the MJ-12 ?

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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by no1smootha
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The first photos look like photos from a Catholic baptism to me, if the photos are of you then you should be able to find your father's name and much more from records at the Catholic church. The photo of the book isn't very clear but might be the Bible especially if it was a part of the photos from the Baptism. I am not Catholic but I did convert to Orthodox Christian which very similar to Catholicism, when I was Baptized the priest cut some of my hair as a part of the Baptism.

The page with the postcard from your maternal grandfather where you suggest he may have been a part of "St. Aldemar Commandery No. 18", which if he was would also be a good place to check as Freemasons keep great records of membership and if he was a member they'd be happy to tell you about it. You make another leap assuming he was in Theosophical Society (again contacting them would be fruitful if he was). The pirate flag and Indy sticker could be simply momentos. Grandfather's "shrine" seems like a fancy gated trellis at the entrance of a garden to me. Your grandfather was in the AF as well, yet another place to search for information about your maternal lineage.You are reading into the "meaning" of the image on the front of the card, I don't see anything particularly symbolic about it. However the photo of your grandfather and his ring, are you sure it was Masonic? Many fraternities have a ring, but if you are sure he was a Freemason then the Lodge near his house would be a good place to look as well. It occurs to me that most of the possibly Masonic aspects of your story are not your father at all but rather your grandfather. Your discussion of the Templar history is unrelated to your family history except by speculation, there is nothing from the postcard that firmly ties your father to the Templars. Anyway, not to diminish from you or your search. I think it will be a benefit to learn more about your family, I just think that you are looking in the wrong places for information.
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No, it wasn't a baptism, sorry.

It was taken with Kodak Tri-pan X film, which is specifically for low light conditions.

That's why there is an enhanced shot of the full moon through the oculus in the ceiling of the church.

What religion does baptisms under a lunar eclipse, and who uses low light film for an event normally done during the day ?

Beside the point though, I wasn't ever baptized.

You won't find what my grandfather's unit was doing in France at the end of the war because it's classified.

So, good luck with that.

As far as your assessment of the items from my grandfather, I stand by what I said, every bit of it. There are no " giant leaps " being taken, and just because you don't see or understand the symbols doesn't invalidate them.

For example, the bee is the symbol the Merovingians used, can you dispute that with factual evidence ?

No, you can't


There really is no argument to be had here.

I could point out that you are wrong about your statements, for example, you say there is no connection between the postcard and the Templars, but yet the Templars used the jolly roger flag.

And on and on.

I'll tell you what though, since I don't really have it in me to argue nonstop with people who don't know what their arguing about, I'll leave you wise folks at ATS to do your thing, whatever it is.




posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 07:01 AM
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If you want that information, use your fingers to type a search phrase into a search engine and go look it up, don't ask me to do it for you.

I stand by the statement " many members belong to multiple groups at the same time ".

Have a nice day



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 07:08 AM
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"I stand by the statement " many members belong to multiple groups at the same time "

Seems to stand up to reason, i mean we all know its a house of cards, smoke and mirrors so to speak. It would make sense for information to be compartmentalised with only a few in the know. That way there great scheme is self perpetuating. And all behind the publics eye. Black budget this, black bag him/her, who's to blame, who knows?
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by Soupornuts
If you want that information, use your fingers to type a search phrase into a search engine and go look it up, don't ask me to do it for you.


I am asking you because I am not sure which of the Templar orginizations using that name are the 'legitimate' heirs to the 13th Century group.

Again, please list a few members.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by Soupornuts
No, actually it's the other way around, you're jumping to conclusions.
Says the guy who's only been studying these things "since February", trying to explain it to Masons who've been members for years.



No, it wasn't a baptism, sorry.
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Beside the point though, I wasn't ever baptized.
And yet you believe you were only 3 days old when the pictures were taken, so how the hell can you say for sure you were never baptized? It's not like you would remember. It's not like your mother was forthcoming with any facts. Conclusions, jumping to them...


It was taken with Kodak Tri-pan X film, which is specifically for low light conditions.
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What religion does baptisms under a lunar eclipse, and who uses low light film for an event normally done during the day ?
Any photographer wanting to shoot something indoors in a church without using a flash. Basic photography. There's not enough light in a church even during the day to use a slower film without a flash and get a good shot. Obviously using a flash during a religious ceremony would be distracting and frowned upon by the participants.


That's why there is an enhanced shot of the full moon through the oculus in the ceiling of the church.
There's absolutely no way to tell from looking at that picture that there's really a hole in the oculus. Most churches using that design would really have a painting up there. (This isn't a stadium with a retractable roof... what the hell would they do when it rained? What about winter?) Basically, you're assuming it was open, and you're assuming it was a full moon, but if all you've got is a 24 x 36 mm piece of paper, and you don't even know what church that is, there's no way you can know for certain that it was really an opening or that it was really even at night.


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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 12:31 PM
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You would just dismiss the possibility that the photos from the church were from your Baptism without looking into it at all? Let me recount my evidence again.

1. Photos of a baby taken at a church, Photographs and video are encouraged at the baptism ceremony.

2. Baby dressed in white clothing, a white Christening gown is customary.

3. The hair cut at the church, the first cut of baby's hair is to be done by the priest at the baby's baptism.

4. In one of your posts you mention Godparents, which play a very important role in the baptized infant's spiritual life.

5. Most importantly for your search, the baptism will be recorded in the permanent records of the parish.

It looks to me as though you are in fact baptized Catholic (or maybe Orthodox but more likely Catholic considering you Father was French). I recommend talking to a Priest at a local Catholic church to help you find your Baptism record. There you will find the family that your mother kept from you for forty years. Also you will discover the identity of your godparents. At the end of your lonely search, you might find that you have a family to welcome you.
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posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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Q; "Was there a connection between the Illuminati, the Templar Knights and the MJ-12 ?"
A: Probably on a Scrabble® board. Perhaps in real life as well. Interesting to think about.



posted on Sep, 29 2012 @ 03:57 PM
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I guess it all depends on what you are truly looking for. If you are looking for ways to put these pieces together to make a satanic mass involving a defunct group and demons, then I suppose there is nothing anyone can say that will persuade you. If you are looking for the truth, I would be as honest as you can be with what you know and give others with opposing viewpoints a chance.

Either way, happy searching.





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