Cherokee Nation Chief is obviously not of Native American ancestry, just look at him.

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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 06:55 AM
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So much ignorance and racism in this thread. A lot of people talking about what they don't understand.

My mother was a darker skinned native, and my father was too. I turned out fair skinned. My grandmother is fair skinned. Genetics, people. Genetics. It's disgusting to come here to ATS and see a bunch of people judging natives on skin color or tone. But why should I be surprised?

There is something called BLOOD QUANTUM, or BQ. No one can claim native heritage if you don't have it. You can't be enrolled without it! This is a LAW.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now, people who are trying to say that if you are too fair skinned, you can't possibly be native. This is bull. Some of you probably haven't seen a real native anyway, unless you watched dances with wolves.




posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by thefullbug
Both nosebleed Natives as my grandpa would say. Just enough Native blood in them to call themselves Native, but if they ever have a nosebleed, then it's all gone!


Yep. And one of the reasons we have to have BQ laws in place is because too many people roll in on the rez and claim native ancestry and want to get benefits.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by D1Useek
This guy looks injun. Elizabeth Warren looks more like Custer than a Cherokee.


You can refrain from using the word "injun". That is a racist term. I am not "injun", I am either "native" "first nations" or "native American". You probably would not like for me to call you a wasicu. I don't act that way because I have respect and I'm a grown up. You should give it a try. It feels good to be a human being.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 07:10 AM
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It's so cute how it's difficult for you to read a few pages or even the same page you post on... she did not benefit from her claim, in order to benefit from being Native American, you have to prove that you are in fact Native American. Read a few posts up.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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If you understood the Cherokee history a little bit better, you would know that before the Trail of Tears, the Cherokee integrated with the white man. It wasn't until later when the white man wanted more of their land in NC.....

My children are the last recognized generation of Cherokee. They absolutely look white until you compare photos to their grandfather. Does that mean they are not Cherokee??



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 07:58 AM
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lol OP, I really feel for you being a sarcastic person myself.
Your point has been entirely missed.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 08:03 AM
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OP, I strongly suggest that you get educated on Natives. the man obviously had black hair and as you might not know this, 99% of native's hair turn white like his when aging. I'm 50% Alconquin Aboriginal and you couldn't tell by just looking at me aside from the color of my eyes, Black. Heck my teen age daughter looks more native than I do....



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by Nuke2013
OP, I strongly suggest that you get educated on Natives. the man obviously had black hair and as you might not know this, 99% of native's hair turn white like his when aging. I'm 50% Alconquin Aboriginal and you couldn't tell by just looking at me aside from the color of my eyes, Black. Heck my teen age daughter looks more native than I do....


Are there really this many stupid members on ATS?


Scott Brown is the one saying anyone looks too white to be NA, not me.

It is obvious from my op and the 10 times I clarified it since then.
The thread is 5 pages long and there is no way anyone can read my posts in it and think I am saying you cannot look Caucasian and still be NA.

The only way to do that is to not read the thread and just respond like an idiot or read the thread and become extremely confused like an idiot.

I have to wonder if any of you even read the very short opening post that starts with this sentence


Originally posted by wascurious
So Scott Brown can tell Elizabeth Warren is not of any Cherokee lineage just by looking at her?


If I do not understand how Scott Brown can do it, what the hell makes anyone think I am claiming I can?


ACTUALLY READ BEFORE YOU POST IF YOU WANT ANYTHING YOU SAY TO BE WORTH A DAMN TO ANYONE.
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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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I have both Cherokee (from my mothers side) and Choctaw (from my fathers) heritage. Here in Oklahoma, we have a saying, " There are only two types of indian here, those who have a roll number, and those who don't".

During the time that most were registering on the rolls, many were calling themselves white because they distrusted the government after all the bloodshed. Because of this, many here today have no roll number, but have a family history of Native American heritage. My great grandmother is burried at Weelock re-education Academy, was 100% Choctaw, but is listed as white on the census.

Here is a link about Weelock for those interested. All records there burned up during the fire in 1869, leaving many, once again, at a dead end while tracing their Choctaw Heritage. I know there have been several similar roadblocks for those tracing thier Cherokee Lineage as well.

okgenweb.org...


~OkieDokie



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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We have the same problem here in Australia amongst the Aboriginals.

Quite frankly in my opinion, anyone who is less than a 1/4 Native American should not be regarded as Native American.

By saying that, there's no genetic blood test to prove your Native claim; many Caucasians, Native Americans, Asians share pretty much the same geographic DNA stands.

To prove Native American ancestry, one has to go check through the Native American ancestry records which can be obtained online through a number of websites I know of.
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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by bluemirage5
We have the same problem here in Australia amongst the Aboriginals.

Quite frankly in my opinion, anyone who is less than a 1/4 should not be regarded as Native American.


Good thing no one in America really gives a crap how some Australian feels they should be counted as per their race. I have some pretty strong opinions on what assholes most Aussie men are to women but as an American, I would not attempt to tell Aussies how their men should be. You go ahead and do not worry about how we count our Native Americans.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
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Native American is a great way to land all kinds of benefits, government money, advantages and of course... access to the Casino market.


Really? Please do detail them. One ride through Tonawanda shows something very different. Being NA has not helped them out at all. They cannot even have a casino.


The only Indian Casino I've ever been in as soon as you walk in there was a giant statue of a wooden bear and beside it a picture of a guy that looked almost identical to Chris Farley. It said "Chief".


Good for you and your cute little story that means nothing to me.



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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
lol OP, I really feel for you being a sarcastic person myself.
Your point has been entirely missed.


Thank you for at least letting me know my frustration is not all that insane.

I do not for a moment believe anyone missed my sarcasm. I think they did not even bother to read my very short opening post. They just read the title and replied.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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I have a friend who had a grandfather who was a black slave. My friend is white with blue eyes and blond hair.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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ha that guy looks as white as me.



posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by wascurious
So Scott Brown can tell Elizabeth Warren is not of any Cherokee lineage just by looking at her?
What does the Cherokee Chief have to say about that?



Gosh I have no idea. This guy is too white to ask. Isn't he?

Didn't read thru to see if anyone else said this but here is why.
A number of whites, immigrants, freed slaves etc were made honorary members of the tribe before Oklahoma was annexed as a state. The only position non-natives are not allowed to hold is as a member of the elders council. That point came up a couple years ago.
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posted on Sep, 28 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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Ok the guy doesn't appear Native American but one white ancestor can change the whole dynamic....Also Cherokee nation has the least strict requirements to join.

With that said I've attended Powows and I do find many caucasian looking people in the dancing circles......here is my issue.....if you have grown up in the culture thats one thing.

But being a Caucasian with a few ancestors on the 1880's North Carolina Cherokee census.....I'm white....I look it therefore I am white.....I do enjoy exploring that culture however my participation is best outside the dancing circles....because I will never be Native American.....ever..I have no cultural identity with them.

As for him, well I don't know his genealogy....so I can't base a conclusion..
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