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Cherokee Nation Chief is obviously not of Native American ancestry, just look at him.

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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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So let's see.. two halves on one side = 25%, muted by the generation gap I'd give her say... 10% Native American.
For every application she ever put Native American on should be considered fraud.




posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Native American is a great way to land all kinds of benefits, government money, advantages and of course... access to the Casino market.


Sounds like BS to me. 50 years ago, care to describe what 'advantages' there were to being labeled NA?

The one tribe that is the single largest recipient of "benefits, government money, advantages" are the 'Anglo' tribe. Whining about "Oh Native Americans get all the breaks..." Jeebus.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by Starchildren
Another thing to consider is, most tribes in this country go by blood quantum, so you cannot walk around saying you are a native when you aren't.


And the fact that the very Caucasian looking Cherokee chief is on Warren's side about this tells me that she must be on the right side of that issue. This just makes it even more odd that Scott would center his campaign around it. It would be different were the Cherokee nation telling Elizabeth to stop making the claim but they support her.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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Sounds like BS to me. 50 years ago, care to describe what 'advantages' there were to being labeled NA?


I dunno.. I wasn't alive 50 years ago. What does 50 years ago have to do with anything? I'm talking here.. and now.. and perhaps the 90's which is when her "I'm an Indian" bit came out (said the blue eyed blond girl)





The one tribe that is the single largest recipient of "benefits, government money, advantages" are the 'Anglo' tribe. Whining about "Oh Native Americans get all the breaks..." Jeebus.


You realize that Angles are a real people from a real place, and if your referencing Anglo-Saxon that those too are a specific people from a specific place .. and that they represent only a small portion of "white" people.

I mean if we want to act like a jerk and be as specific as possible with racial/ethnic identity I must say I resent being called an Anglo anything.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Blackmarketeer
 


So let's see.. two halves on one side = 25%, muted by the generation gap I'd give her say... 10% Native American.
For every application she ever put Native American on should be considered fraud.


Nope....depends on the state....some states recognize as little as 1/16th...how does that feel for ya now?





posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by munkey66

Originally posted by wascurious
So Scott Brown can tell Elizabeth Warren is not of any Cherokee lineage just by looking at her?
What does the Cherokee Chief have to say about that?



Gosh I have no idea. This guy is too white to ask. Isn't he?

a little background into the story would probably be helpful in understanding your point


Gosh you are absolutely right. I guess I took it for granted anyone interested in politics, current events, etc. would know about it by now. I also took it for granted that anyone with any interest in either party or the race itself would know. I did not consider the genuinely curious and that is my bad.

Scott Brown (R) is running against Elizabeth Warren (D) for a senate seat in Mass. His most memorably moment from a recent speech hit the floor like a lead balloon. He pointed out that she had checked the box for Native American on an application to get ahead and his assertion was that she must have been lying because "look at her." That is all. He knows she is not Cherokee because he looked at her.
Now he has taken this lead balloon and made it into part of his unofficial platform to the level at which it is his only visible platform. He made more speeches and ads attacking Warren for claiming to be part Native American when she is not because he believes she is not because he looked at her. I can only guess he is looking for physical features which would be of the most stereotypical kind. Unfortunately her features are a bland white and to him that seems to be the proof he needed.

He has even sent his staffers out mocking Native Americans. Correction: From the highest levels of his staff, these events were done without his knowledge or consent. Everyone in his campaign knows what they are organizing to go do but him.

So I guess instead of all the people that missed the one single opening sentence that made my stance quite clear -

Originally posted by wascurious
So Scott Brown can tell Elizabeth Warren is not of any Cherokee lineage just by looking at her?
and attacked me for their own ignorance, I expected a Scott Brown supporter or two to come and explain to me how we know Elizabeth Warren is or is not Cherokee at all by simply looking at her.

Hopefully the posters so quick to scream racism at me have spent this time around a mirror or two.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by onewithall
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I'm 10% Cherokee Indian and you'd never know it. I'm blonde with green eyes. Don't judge a book by it's cover.

Much Love,
OnewithAll
I know, right? Both my grandmothers were of Cherokee heritage, and my great grandmother used to make these really cool blankets. Now, I'm a reddish brown skinned black guy and my hair is sandy brown, and my paternal grandfather was darker than me with piercing green eyes! Sometimes, ya never know what's in the mix by the outside.
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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:25 PM
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This guy looks injun. Elizabeth Warren looks more like Custer than a Cherokee.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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Well...the bottom line is....Brown is a serious D-bag. Never had a place in the debates. "Argumentum ad hominem" is the last resort of a losing debater.....

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
― Socrates

AND to be so arrogant as to say you can tell someone's race by their appearance is about



I have to shake my head at the arrogance and stupidity that gets elected to offices in this country....
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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Advantage
Im a full CDIB carrying Blackfeet.. Piegan. I get called a mexican, eastern indian, and I was called a "rag head" a few yrs back.
One of my daughters has brown hair, fair skin and blue eyed... from me who is 100% and my husband who is white.
Folks better check themselves before they start assuming BS and then opening their mouths and expressing their ignorance.


Just seeing as the thread has gone so far, I have to ask.

Are you addressing me or are you opining on Scott Brown using this to try and win an election?



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
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Exactly. I am so offended by Brown and his staff and outraged that they talk like this as if it's normal conversation and a legitimate argument to question the validity of another persons heritage. I'm part Native American and I DARE him to tell me I don't look like it.



Thank You!!

And not just for actually reading my post. I cannot believe this is just given a pass the way it is. I am not NA at all. I am just a mutt whitey but I would be more than pissed were I Warren right now. It was bad enough to attack her with it but now is campaign staffers are ratcheting it up and still no one seems to care.


Mock war cries, tomahawk chops, etc. all just fine and dandy. 5 of these people are on Brown's staff and he had no idea they were doing it and does not condone it and yet he then went on to refer to Warren with a mock NA name. I am still looking for that clip. It just really seems odd that no one cares and the fact that she looks as Cherokee as the Chief that backs her is not even blipping on Scott's fanbase' radar apparently.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by Jeremiah65

Pretty freaking sad if you ask me. This dude is prob gonna lose his seat over being a tard and not actually debating issues...he went "argumentum ad hominem" and attacked the person and not the topics and issues....always a bad sign of character in my personal opinion.


The thing that really bothers me about that is I swear at one time I knew what he stood for. I am pretty sure he mentioned something about some issues at some point somewhere. I know I knew his name before all this for a reason.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:36 PM
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I'm pasty white, brown hair and green eyes .. you'd have no idea I'm actually Black.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by wascurious

Originally posted by Advantage
Im a full CDIB carrying Blackfeet.. Piegan. I get called a mexican, eastern indian, and I was called a "rag head" a few yrs back.
One of my daughters has brown hair, fair skin and blue eyed... from me who is 100% and my husband who is white.
Folks better check themselves before they start assuming BS and then opening their mouths and expressing their ignorance.


Just seeing as the thread has gone so far, I have to ask.

Are you addressing me or are you opining on Scott Brown using this to try and win an election?


I was addressing Brown very obviously, but if you want to take an attitude with me like you have everyone else.. go for it.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by schuyler
That's not really the point and I'm amazed you don't seem to get it. YOU OUGHT TO BE OUTRAGED AT ELIZABETH WARREN!!!

Elizabeth Warren may very well be 1/32nd Native American. But culturally she grew up as white as someone direct from Scotland. But when she entered academia she began to claim she was "Native American" to take advantage of affirmitive action. Her first university bragged that they now had on their faculty their first "woman of color." What a complete crock!


Sources????


Do you get it yet? She used a dubious claim of Native American heritage to get to the head of the line. That's despicable. Affirmitive Action was designed to help people who grew up disadvantaged, who, because of their color or religion, endured discrimination, poverty, and a whole manner of social ills. Now just what has Elizabeth Warren endured in that regard? Nothing. She grew up in a middle-class white culture.


What did she gain by checking that box?


If you really are Native American, and especially if you are culturally native American, i.e.: You grew up on the Rez and faced everything from alcoholism to poverty and crime, then your OUTRAGE ought to be directed at Elizabeth Warren for ursurping your culture, stealing it out from underneath you to advance herself.


So only poor rez kids with drunk dads are real injuns to ya huh?


Brown and his staff have it exactly right. Elizabeth Warren is a complete fraud. Supporting Warren in this is completely delusional.
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You forgot to tell us what the fraud part is. Must have been while you were forgetting sources and links, looking up "F-Troop" episodes and popping open another can.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
So what??

Just because someone looks or doesn't like their heritage hell I am Irish don't know the first thing about Irish culture or heritage.

Just like all those who claim whatever ancestry they want doesn't make them that if people are not satisfied with being an American that is them trying to sell themselves as something they are not.

I am an American first and only I know where I came from but that has jack to do with American politics, and being qualified for a job, and a government job at that,
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You are right. So what.
I love that you think you are arguing with me when you are just restating my exact point.
Sleep well knowing you backed up my entire thread, NEO.
Muahhhh hah hahahahahahahahaa

I even gave you a star. I am sure that fills your black little heart.

So, Neo. Now that we are on the same page. Who cares? What is the big deal? Why does it matter? Do you know why Scott Brown cares, is making it a big deal, and why it matters in his race?
Do you have any thoughts on that?
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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by Advantage
The resources only go so far and she had resources some dont. She abused it. I wasnt allowed to use any resources.


Yeah yeah, your life sucked and your dad's life sucked and the good thing to do is blame other people.

ANYWAY...... how did she abuse it?
Oh, check this story out by the way before you respond with whatever you are going to make up. You already got something wrong in just what I quoted.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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I wish I could make your post the opening post!!!!!!!
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posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 07:53 PM
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Yeah but Hitler would have fallen in love with my Arian
looks and I'm Irish, Black and Jewish.



posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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Ask Warren why she claimed that heritage if it doesn't matter,.






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