reply to post by Catacomb
No, they are used as blanket statements about a subject, and that is never true.
Address the 'blanket statements'. What is being addressed here?
My general statement was Europe turned away. It's a general statement, reflecting the general tone of Europes main organizations.
Planes crash, and some countries did not help Germany exterminate Jews.
That is a horrible metaphor, firstly, and secondly, it is TRUE that GENERALLY, the majority of the countries in Europe yielded to Germany's Jewish
Lets count, shall we, to make final my very clear and sane point:, and thus point out the crudity of your own:
Countries which yielded to the Nazis, and even took part in their extermination policy:
Netherlands (in the beginning, the dutch states opposed the Nazis; but the Nazis came in, imposed martial law, and began their propaganda campaign
against the Jews; the Dutch population and Churches acquiesced)
Hungary (the arrow cross party was vociferously anti-semitic)
European countries that struggled against the Nazi extermination policy:
Bulgaria (still allowing 14,000 Jews to get carried off to their deaths)
Greece (only partially, 54,000 Greek Jews were killed, from the ancient city of Salonika in the east, to the islands of the aegan; the only Greek Jews
saved were the Jews of Athens, and that's after the Eastern Orthodox Church got involved - showing firsthand the influence Bishops/Cardinal have)
Italy (despite letting 8000 Jews, many thousand from Rome, get carted off to Auschwitz)
So you have countries with relatively tiny Jewish populations, like Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark, along with those other three - Italy, Greece
and Bulgaria, who still let a combined 76,000 Jews get killed, against the rest of Europe, each country with massive Jewish populations.
My statement is justified, and if it's sweeping, it's because it reflects a sweeping fact of those years; persecuting the Jews, wanting their
destruction, was a greater force than the opposite drive.
I very clearly stated why they would be unable to destroy the camps without killing all prisoners there. To carpet bomb the facility, would have
The camps had at most 100,000 inmates, mostly Jews. What needed to be destroyed was the gas chambers and the cremation facilities. These could have
been destroyed without killing all those people in the camps - as they were separate areas.
Secondly, and more importantly, the gas chambers and cremation facilities were used to kill 40,000 people a week. The rationale behind destroying the
gas chamber/cremation facility, was to prevent the Nazis from 'efficiently' killing more people.
This was all argued out when the Americans were told about it. They chose not to do it and gave a horribly dishonest - such as like what you are doing
right now - reason for why it couldn't be done.
Germany, if it had known that the Allies knew the location of the camps would have ramped up the killing,
Do you know why the Germans created the extermination camps? Because the general killing - the massacres - which began the holocaust was too
emotionally exhausting for Wehrmacht soldiers to handle. THAT was why they began to change their method. It was too inefficient, too dirty, and took
too great a toll on the nerves of the soldiers carrying it out.
Bombing the camp would not have stopped the killing
Yes it would have.
They would have been shipped to a different facility, or shot.
Auschwitz was the hub; no other facilities could kill as many people as Auschwitz could.
and will be my last post about it. Sorry for any potential derailing of this particular thread.
It's tangentially related.
I brought it up because the world needs a literal read line drawn onto a diagram of a cannon-ball in order to get that Iran must be stopped.
The resistance towards this - especially on the part of the US administration, implies a desire to enable Iran against Israel; sort of like how
Obama's state department has enabled Islamists by bringing them into power in Egypt, and soon-to-be Syria.
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