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Originally posted by Sinny
Just been reading the latest Assange thread, inclusive of his latest speech. A speech which is probably one of his MOST detrimental yet to the PTB, and more importantly that of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
A phrase I find slightly amusing my self, as from what I gather, you aren't united at all.
Julian Assange has been careful with the information he has leaked. Do you really believe they release everything they have?
What has he leaked so far that would endanger the life of your soldiers? The soldiers who, by the way, are by majority, cold blooded killers.
Julian Assange has saved many lives, no doubt, by making the US and allied forces think twice before breaking international law and killing innocent civilians. The people who still persecute Assange, including those on this site are blindly patriotic, or have an agenda.
Originally posted by Propulsion
Here’s a thought. Let’s remove America from every aspect of known to the world. And when I say everything, I mean EVERYTHING. I’m sure it won’t be long before some country comes-a-knocking on our door looking for help.
And you are BY FAR the most hypocritical country on the face of the Earth. For the last 60 years anyway.
But the members of the Federal Convention were men w e [sic] been all tried in the field of action, say some; they have fought for American liberty. Then the more to their shame be it said; curse on the villain who protects virgin innocence only with a view that he may himself become the ravisher; so that if the assertion were true, it only turns to their disgrace; but as it happens it is not truth, or at least only so in part. This was a scheme taken by the despots and their sycophants to bias the public mind in favor of the constitution. For the convention was composed of a variety of characters: ambitious men, Jesuits, tories, lawyers, etc., formed the majority, whose similitude to each other, consisted only in their determination to lord it over their fellow citizens; like the rays that converging from every direction meet in a point, their sentiments and deliberations concentered in tyranny alone; they were unanimous in forming a government that should raise the fortunes and respectability of the well born few, and oppress the plebeians.
What then are we to think of the motives and designs of those men who are urging the implicit and immediate adoption of the proposed government; are they fearful, that if you exercise your good sense and discernment, you will discover the masqued aristocracy, that they are attempting to smuggle upon you under the suspicious garb of republicanism? When we find that the principal agents in this business are the very men who fabricated the form of government, it certainly ought to be conclusive evidence of their invidious design to deprive us of our liberties. The circumstances attending this matter, are such as should in a peculiar manner excite your suspicion; it might not be useless to take a review of some of them.
Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by Sinny
Selective history is a bad thing Sinny... England doesn't have a sterling history at all regarding warfare. It was the nation that perfected the idea of Empire in the modern world and engaged in travesties globally. Of course a girl from Ireland knows these things, and they should strike home.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki cost roughly 180,000 lives, if memory serves, but ended a war that had something along the lines of 60,000,000 causalities ( again going by memory here. ) So cherry picking roughly 0.003% of those deaths to take a moral stand about... Well that is kind of hypocritical.
hy·po·crit·i·cal[ hìppə kríttik'l ]
1. falsely claiming high principles: showing, originating from, or of the nature of hypocrisy
Source for definition
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Thanks for the post Sinny.
I am a touch patriotic, and part of that patriotism demands I look at my country to see the boils and warts it has...without identification of a problem, how can it be fixed after all.
I don't spend ages slamming say, Saudi Arabia..because I expect them to be animals..but I would gladly slam the UK, because I expect them to hold high standards. You also feel the same about the US...that you expect us to live to a higher standard because we are capable...which frankly, makes you a greater lover of the US than the people here waving flags and screaming god bless america while denying any issues.
So, keep it up. point out our flaws, show us where we need to stop being morons and work on..because I also believe we should aim for higher roads.
Salomon (sometimes written as Solomon and Solomons in period documents) was a Polish-born Jewish immigrant to America who played an important role in financing the Revolution. When the war began, Salomon was operating as a financial broker in New York City.
"though Salomon’s role in financing the Revolution has at times been exaggerated, his willingness to take financial risks for the Patriot cause helped establish the new nation."
Originally posted by DrunkYogi
reply to post by DrNotforhire
Funnily enough Scotland does too. You know, that country just above England on the map!!!